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Author: | Bammer [ Tue June 27, 2017 4:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Prime? |
Shawn Kemp or Blake Griffin? Debate. Then suggest a new debate. Such as Isiah Thomas or John Stockton. |
Author: | E.H. Ruddock [ Tue June 27, 2017 5:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Are we talking basketball or fathering children? |
Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Tue June 27, 2017 6:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
I'd take Griffin by a hair if both players are healthy. His passing/playmaking ability trumps the pure athleticism of Kemp. |
Author: | verb_to_trust [ Tue June 27, 2017 6:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots. |
Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Tue June 27, 2017 6:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
verb_to_trust wrote: Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots. He also got really fat for no reason than just being bored/lazy. Had to downgrade him some points for that. |
Author: | numbers [ Tue June 27, 2017 6:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Kemp all day not even close. |
Author: | E.H. Ruddock [ Tue June 27, 2017 6:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Yeah, Kemp. Also, Kemp had a drive that I just don't see in Griffin. |
Author: | verb_to_trust [ Tue June 27, 2017 7:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Monkey_Driven wrote: verb_to_trust wrote: Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots. He also got really fat for no reason than just being bored/lazy. Had to downgrade him some points for that. How about Blake being constantly injured and breaking his hand on that equipment manager/secret gay lover guys face? Blake has already peaked and Kemp made a Finals. Would have won it too if it weren't for the Goat. |
Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Tue June 27, 2017 7:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
verb_to_trust wrote: Monkey_Driven wrote: verb_to_trust wrote: Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots. He also got really fat for no reason than just being bored/lazy. Had to downgrade him some points for that. How about Blake being constantly injured and breaking his hand on that equipment manager/secret gay lover guys face? Blake has already peaked and Kemp made a Finals. Would have won it too if it weren't for the Goat. True, true. I think Griffin is a more well rounded player, but you're probably right, Kemp's prime was a little better. Plus, dunkz. |
Author: | run2death [ Tue June 27, 2017 7:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Kemp. He had a good 10-year run where he probably averaged 18/10. Griffin can be spectacular, but has only had like 2 or 3 full seasons. Griffin wouldn't last 2 games in the NBA Kemp played in. I'll take Zeke over Stockton all day. |
Author: | PHATJ [ Wed June 28, 2017 2:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Shawn Kemp was fucking BOSS. |
Author: | run2death [ Wed June 28, 2017 2:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
I think you can make a case for Zeke being the toughest guard in NBA history. Dude took a fucking beating nightly and played through brutal injuries. Jordan wouldn't be the player he was without Zeke. Edit: I think I'm gonna have to watch the Pistons 30 for 30 again. THAT was how basketball should be played. |
Author: | run2death [ Wed June 28, 2017 12:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Hakeem vs. Shaq? I don't think it's that close. Hakeem's elite defense and athleticism clearly puts him on top, but I'm guessing the average NBA fan would think I'm nuts. As I said in another thread, Hakeem had 2 of the best playoff runs in NBA history. I know those runs get glossed over because they were during Jordan's first retirement, but he was just unstoppable and exuded a kind of otherworldly grace and athleticism that was just beautiful. |
Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Wed June 28, 2017 1:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
run2death wrote: Hakeem vs. Shaq? I don't think it's that close. Hakeem's elite defense and athleticism clearly puts him on top, but I'm guessing the average NBA fan would think I'm nuts. As I said in another thread, Hakeem had 2 of the best playoff runs in NBA history. I know those runs get glossed over because they were during Jordan's first retirement, but he was just unstoppable and exuded a kind of otherworldly grace and athleticism that was just beautiful. Depends on if it Shaq is in shape or not. |
Author: | run2death [ Wed June 28, 2017 1:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Even in-shape Shaq was a joke at defending the pick and roll. I know Phil talks extensively in one of his books about Shaq's D being those Lakers teams biggest liability. Meanwhile, Hakeem was two-time Defensive Player of the Year. |
Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Wed June 28, 2017 1:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Didn't Phil trash everyone in his books? I'd take Hakeem. He would be great in today's NBA too. |
Author: | @SkitchP [ Wed June 28, 2017 2:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Kemp Zeke and it's not close Hakeem |
Author: | run2death [ Wed June 28, 2017 3:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
Even in today's NBA, I have a hard time seeing Stockton's assist records ever being touch. It's basically the equivalent of Rice's receiving stats. Yet, he would struggle to get into my top 10 all-time PG list. His actual value as a player was sooooo much less than his numbers. I realize that's got to do with his longevity and the kind of offense those Jazz teams ran, but still... |
Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Wed June 28, 2017 3:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
run2death wrote: Even in today's NBA, I have a hard time seeing Stockton's assist records ever being touch. It's basically the equivalent of Rice's receiving stats. Yet, he would struggle to get into my top 10 all-time PG list. His actual value as a player was sooooo much less than his numbers. I realize that's got to do with his longevity and the kind of offense those Jazz teams ran, but still... He wore short shorts though, so he's good in my book. |
Author: | numbers [ Wed June 28, 2017 3:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri |
run2death wrote: Hakeem vs. Shaq? I don't think it's that close. Hakeem's elite defense and athleticism clearly puts him on top, but I'm guessing the average NBA fan would think I'm nuts. As I said in another thread, Hakeem had 2 of the best playoff runs in NBA history. I know those runs get glossed over because they were during Jordan's first retirement, but he was just unstoppable and exuded a kind of otherworldly grace and athleticism that was just beautiful. That's a tough one, Shaq seems like the obvious choice, but Hakeem was sooooo good for those mid-90s Rockets teams, in addition to being damn good before that too. Probably go with Shaq just because he turned 3 different franchises into championship teams overnight, but man I really liked those Rockets teams. |
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