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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
PostPosted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:45 am 
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The more I think about it, the less I like it too. Choosing which season to go with is a huge decision at the start of the season. You should be stuck with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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So I advocate for my proposal but with years stuck with drafted players. Either that or you can only add undrafted players, not players dropped by other teams.


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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The more I think about it, the less I like it too. Choosing which season to go with is a huge decision at the start of the season. You should be stuck with it.


I agree it is a huge decision, but I don't consider it any bigger than who you draft in each round. The way I see it, if we're allowing one change in that, I don't see why changing a year for one player isn't comparable. It's still one alteration on a roster of 25.

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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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A small reliever swap, or dumping a guy for an unknown quantity off the waiver wire allows for possible small situational improvements, like working around a whatif managerial quirk. Letting people change years allows for selecting a proven whatif quantity to correct a mistake or risk you shouldn't have taken.


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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Changing years simply allows this mid-season move to be too powerful for my tastes.


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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I vote for Lament's version, not Chud's Yankee Swap.


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Changing years simply allows this mid-season move to be too powerful for my tastes.



Yes. Exactly.

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I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal

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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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Id rather no roster changes than allowing year changes.

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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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@SkitchP wrote:
Id rather no roster changes than allowing year changes.

same

I'll settle for any other aspect of this that the rest of the league wants if years aren't allowed to be changed.


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I call for a ban on year changes until we figure out what the hell is going on.


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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finally someone says what we're all thinking


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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The Argonaut wrote:
I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal


Yeah, I can buy that a waiver move is a less significant change than a year swap, but a trade is a far more powerful move than a year change in my eyes.

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Lament wrote:
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I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal


Yeah, I can buy that a waiver move is a less significant change than a year swap, but a trade is a far more powerful move than a year change in my eyes.



Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.

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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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@SkitchP wrote:
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I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal


Yeah, I can buy that a waiver move is a less significant change than a year swap, but a trade is a far more powerful move than a year change in my eyes.



Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.



It's risk free. Without any chance of improving the opposition.

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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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Yeah I can refuse a trade if I think it helps the other guy too much.


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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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@SkitchP wrote:
Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.


Waiving a player is one party making their own move without a consenting party as well, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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Lament wrote:
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Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.


Waiving a player is one party making their own move without a consenting party as well, though.

Yeah, and keeping the years committed to the drafted players limits the benefit of that move.


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Lament wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.


Waiving a player is one party making their own move without a consenting party as well, though.


Right, but there's some risk. Let's say you cut buerle. He becomes my 3rd starter. You've risked improving my team.

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 Post subject: Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS
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Yeah, there's no reason year changes shouldn't be allowed if trades and add/drops are allowed.


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