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Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 9:55 pm Posts: 13819 Location: An office full of assholes
Simple Torture wrote:
I don't think someone's case should be made on some isolated stat alone (especially batting average), but Rolen is still fringe for me. I guess the case is made looking at his long-term consistency and the fact that he was a solid player in the steroid era who never had that stink on him.
which, of course, no one can say for certain whether he did or didn't
I think as the years go on you'll see an adjustment on how players are rated in terms of hall of fame worthiness. Are careers trending shorter? Will rules changes (like this coming years pitch clock and no infield shifts) affect player stats?
Yeah, in general I don't think defense is valued nearly enough, especially at non-up-the-middle positions. Rolen is easily one of the best defensive players of all time, and his 122 wRC+ is tied with Kirby Puckett and Paul Molitor.
Rolen was always a no-brainer for me, but I'm still a bit surprised he got in.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 9:55 pm Posts: 13819 Location: An office full of assholes
philpritchard wrote:
blueviper wrote:
He's probably in for more defense.
I think as the years go on you'll see an adjustment on how players are rated in terms of hall of fame worthiness. Are careers trending shorter? Will rules changes (like this coming years pitch clock and no infield shifts) affect player stats?
Yeah, in general I don't think defense is valued nearly enough, especially at non-up-the-middle positions. Rolen is easily one of the best defensive players of all time, and his 122 wRC+ is tied with Kirby Puckett and Paul Molitor.
Rolen was always a no-brainer for me, but I'm still a bit surprised he got in.
My gut is yes for Omar. Defense aside he almost had 3,000 hits, was a good base stealer in his prime. I think the issue with his candidacy is there were so many offensive SS stars in his era.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 7:41 am Posts: 19722 Location: Cumberland, RI
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:
Bammer wrote:
Barry Bonds prior to arriving in San Fran
Based on his stats there alone - no way.
I can't imagine a hypothetical baseball player that I'd consider a HOFer after just 7 seasons.
That being said--in his last 4 seasons in PIT, he had 8+ bWAR each season and 2 MVPs. He became a HOFer in Pittsburgh, but he hadn't amassed the length of resume just yet.
I can't imagine a hypothetical baseball player that I'd consider a HOFer after just 7 seasons.
That being said--in his last 4 seasons in PIT, he had 8+ bWAR each season and 2 MVPs. He became a HOFer in Pittsburgh, but he hadn't amassed the length of resume just yet.
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