It's not a great pen. I agree.

Where the mother fuck is Juan Berenguer?!!!!

It might be hard to find fat middle infielders, but I'm sure it could be done.

Ronnie Belliard

5 of the 6 had really great seasons. Borbon gets a roster spot since he recorded a save in the 95 WS.

He was the first one I thought of.

Are you gonna field a Marlins team in the next Franchise Tournament?



That being said, you should field a Braves team for the Franchise one. I feel like we need more NL teams if we're going to have two even leagues or 8 or 10 apiece.

Ok. This seemed simple enough.

It's an easier commitment in the tournaments like the Franchise one where you don't have to deal with a draft. And with the Braves you'll have the rights to the Boston and Milwaukee teams too, so you could potentially have a serious contender.

The De-integrated Argos:

Payroll: $137,669,076

C 1969 Ellie Hendricks L .244 12 38 A+/A- $3,017,330
1B 1977 Rod Carew L .388 14 100 B+/A- $9,873,748
2B 1980 Willie Randolph R .294 7 46 C/B+ $5,272,863
3B 2009 Chone Figgins S .298 5 54 A-/B+ $6,727,915
SS 1962 Maury Wills S .299 6 48 C/B- $5,237,447
OF 1951 Monte Irvin R .312 24 121 A/C+ $6,722,389
OF 2004 Juan Pierre L .326 3 49 A/B $6,759,568
OF 1977 Ron LeFlore R .325 16 57 C/A- $6,009,198
SS 1987 Ozzie Smith S .303 0 75 A+/B+ $6,872,047
OF 1965 Curt Flood R .310 11 83 B+/A $6,489,639
3B 1962 Ed Charles R .288 17 74 B+/A- $5,492,664
OF 1951 Sam Jethroe S .280 18 65 C/B+ $5,256,389
OF 2014 Billy Hamilton S .250 6 48 A/A $5,013,981
OF 1987 Vince Coleman S .289 3 43 C-/C- $4,240,214
C 1994 Lenny Webster R .273 5 23 A/B $1,908,183

Batting Totals .303 147 924 B+/B+ $84,893,575


SP 1980 Mike Norris R 22-9 0 2.53 1.05 180-83 $9,259,893
SP/RP 2005 Dontrelle Willis L 22-10 0 2.63 1.13 170-55 $7,888,459
SP/RP 1968 Blue Moon Odom R 16-10 0 2.45 1.20 143-98 $6,541,864
SP/RP 1985 Oil Can Boyd R 15-13 0 3.70 1.25 154-67 $6,127,294
SP/RP 1966 Al Jackson L 13-15 0 2.51 1.15 90-45 $5,827,297
SP/RP 1952 Joe Black R 15-4 15 2.15 1.00 85-41 $4,921,689
SP/RP 1952 Satchel Paige R 12-10 10 3.07 1.25 91-57 $3,931,830
SP/RP 1994 Heathcliff Slocumb R 5-1 0 2.86 1.42 58-28 $2,949,353
SP/RP 1985 Donnie Moore R 8-8 31 1.92 1.09 72-21 $2,898,506
SP/RP 2003 LaTroy Hawkins R 9-3 2 1.86 1.09 75-15 $2,429,316

Pitching Totals 137-83 58 2.67 1.15 1118-510 $52,775,501

(limit of 100 career HR for hitters/1000 career SO for pitchers)

And I put together another team, one I think actually cannot be beat. See if you can identify the theme. I'll have an explanation tomorrow.

Payroll: $130,698,305

C 1973 Thurman Munson R .301 20 74 C+/B $5,571,269
1B 1905 Dan McGann S .299 5 75 B+/B $5,096,356
2B 1962 Ken Hubbs R .260 5 49 B/B $4,408,864
3B 1921 Tony Boeckel R .313 10 84 C-/C $4,861,588
SS 1917 Ray Chapman R .302 2 36 C/A+ $6,276,178
OF 1895 Ed Delahanty R .404 11 106 C/B $10,512,611
OF 1977 Lyman Bostock L .336 14 90 A-/B $6,804,265
OF 1967 Roberto Clemente R .357 23 110 C/D+ $6,448,637
OF 1921 Austin McHenry R .350 17 102 C/A- $6,488,922
OF 1934 Len Koenecke L .320 14 73 A/B+ $6,163,286
OF 1887 Jim Fogarty R .261 8 50 C/A $5,745,240
3B 1909 Eddie Grant L .269 1 37 B+/C- $4,126,319
1B 1954 Harry Agganis L .251 11 57 C/B- $2,841,002
C 1939 Willard Hershberger R .345 0 32 B/D $1,651,897
3B 1913 John Dodge R .241 4 45 D/C- $1,550,467

SP 1897 Win Mercer R 20-20 3 3.24 1.50 88-103 $10,486,039
SP/RP 1971 Don Wilson R 16-10 0 2.45 1.02 180-79 $8,731,832
SP/RP 1910 King Cole R 20-4 1 1.80 1.27 114-130 $7,049,907
SP/RP 1928 Ed Morris R 19-15 5 3.53 1.30 104-80 $6,694,966
SP/RP 1972 Bob Moose R 13-10 1 2.91 1.15 144-47 $6,423,128
SP/RP 2002 Cory Lidle R 8-10 0 3.89 1.20 111-39 $4,687,395
SP/RP 1990 Tim Crews R 4-5 5 2.77 1.14 76-24 $2,722,753
SP/RP 1971 Danny Frisella R 8-5 12 1.99 1.17 93-30 $2,408,641
SP/RP 1990 Steve Olin R 4-4 1 3.41 1.32 64-26 $2,136,094
SP/RP 1993 Cliff Young L 3-3 1 4.62 1.52 31-18 $810,649

Is it all guys who died while active?

Are you gonna field a Marlins team in the next Franchise Tournament?

Sure. It will be my pleasure to help other teams in their quest for 100 wins.

Hmm. So I think we're tentatively looking at this so far (bear in mind, it won't start till early October, so a lot could change)...

Teams I think we'll have:

American League
Red Sox (chud/numbers)
Tigers (Skitch)
Yankees (Argo)
Rangers (#BRL)
Blue Jays (phil)
White Sox (Lament)


National League
Cardinals (Kaius)
Cubs (TBAMTS)
Braves (CopperTom)
Marlins (4/5)

Also, whoever Ruddo chooses to run (I can't remember if the Orioles or the Mariners were his first choice last time). And hopefully EJ will be in this one again. Oh, and maybe Jorge will be back to avenge his second place finish.

Like I said, I'd like to have two even leagues for this one. That means we need either 12, 16, or 20 teams to have everyone play everyday. If we only have 12 teams, I should be able to do all of the simming. If we get up to 16 or 20 I may have to call in for some backup. We'll allow for a few second teams to fill up whichever league (most likely the NL) needs to filled up, but I think we should wait until everyone who wants in gets to take their desired team.

Someone tell Spike to run a Brewers team that we can put in the NL.

Sorry, I don't mean to derail the Rogue Tournament with all of this Franchise Tournament babble. I just don't want to start a Franchise Tournament thread until we're closer to the start.

EDIT: Alright, I bumped the 2014 thread for this very purpose. Apologies.

I had to cut some really good players (mainly outfielders) from my bench to get under the salary cap, but I like the looks of this team. The real disappointment is that Stubby Clapp never got enough plate appearances to qualify.

My goal is to get at least one game with an outfield of Spud, Goody and Bunk.

The Eh Team

C 2007 Russell Martin R
1B 2008 Justin Morneau L
2B 1885 Pop Smith R
3B 2011 Joey Votto L
SS 1921 Frank O'Rourke R
OF 1890 Spud Johnson L
OF 1887 Tip O'Neill R
OF 1997 Larry Walker L
OF 1945 Goody Rosen L
OF 2009 Jason Bay R
OF 1906 Bunk Congalton L
3B 2001 Corey Koskie L
C 1915 George Gibson R
3B 1890 Jimmy Knowles R
SS 1886 Arthur Irwin L

SP 1908 Rube Vickers R
SP 1910 Russ Ford R
SP 1971 Fergie Jenkins R
SP 1904 Win Kellum L
RP 1994 Kirk McCaskill R
RP 1966 Dick Lines L
RP 2005 Ryan Dempster R
RP 2009 Erik Bedard L
RP 2003 Eric Gagne R
RP 1999 Jeff Zimmerman R

oh, Stubby Clapp. He was the manager of the local low-A team around here a few years ago. In his final season as manager, he pitched an insane shit-fit with some umpire over some call. Yelling and screaming, cursing, getting in the guys face, kicking dirt, the whole nine.
And oh yeah, it was an 11am camp day game. The stadium was filled with children.

That was my guess as well.

C 1973 Thurman Munson - practicing flying, crashed, DIED.
1B 1905 Dan McGann - shot himself in the heart in a Louisville hotel....or did he? DIED.
2B 1962 Ken Hubbs - flying a plane, crashed in a lake, missing for days, DIED.
3B 1921 Tony Boeckel - three-car accident, DIED.
SS 1917 Ray Chapman - hit in the head with a pitch. The pitcher fielded the ball, thinking it had come off the bat, and threw to first. The infielders threw it around the diamond. DIED.
OF 1895 Ed Delahanty - got kicked off a train in the middle of the night after threatening passengers with a razor, somehow ended up falling off a bridge and being swept over Niagara Falls. DIED.
OF 1977 Lyman Bostock - shotgun shot to the head because of other people's drama. DIED.
OF 1967 Roberto Clemente - plane crash while delivering food and medicine to earthquake victims in Nicaragua, DIED.
OF 1921 Austin McHenry - brain tumor, DIED.
OF 1934 Len Koenecke - was cut mid-season for drinking, got drunk on the flight home and tried to take over the plane because he didn't think the pilot was doing it right. The pilot hit him over the head with a fire extinguisher, DIED.
OF 1887 Jim Fogarty - tuberculosis, DIED.
3B 1909 Eddie Grant - shell exploded in October, 1918 during WWI, DIED.
1B 1954 Harry Agganis - pneumonia goes to viral infection goes to pulmonary embolism goes to DIED.
C 1939 Willard Hershberger - a back-up catcher, his team loses two consecutive games that he starts. having gone hitless, he blames himself, saying that if the primary catcher had started, the team would've won both games. he slit his throat in a Boston hotel bathtub, DIED.
3B 1913 John Dodge - hit by a pitch, DIED.

SP 1897 Win Mercer - intentionally inhaled gas in a hotel room, DIED.
SP/RP 1971 Don Wilson - sat in his garage with the car running and his entire family in the car. apparently this was an accident. he and his son both DIED.
SP/RP 1910 King Cole - tuberculosis, DIED.
SP/RP 1928 Ed Morris - got into a bar brawl, stabbed in chest, DIED.
SP/RP 1972 Bob Moose - car accident, DIED.
SP/RP 2002 Cory Lidle - piloted his plane into an apartment building in New York City, DIED.
SP/RP 1990 Tim Crews -drunk drive a boat into a dock, DIED.
SP/RP 1971 Danny Frisella - dune buggied to death, DIED.
SP/RP 1990 Steve Olin - was on the boat that Tim Crews (above) drunk drove into a dock, DIED.
SP/RP 1993 Cliff Young - drove into a tree, DIED.