I've read this entire thread and I've got to say, 100% kidding aside, I fail to see one Harry Lime post which comes across as racist. To the contrary, his posts in this thread are poignantly humble, sincere, and dignified.

I believe the bigotry and prejudice comes from you other folks who are extremely eager to lash out and belittle while also pointing to the shiny "tolerance" chip on your shoulder.

The person who did the interview and stated the tendency of people to cross the street when encountering a hooded black person, or to avoid a tattooed and pierced white dude, etc..........
well, actually, there is nothing wrong with what I just said there. Nothing wrong with it. There is nothing wrong with the above statment....nope, there is NOTHING wrong with it.

Why should one apologize for trying to make a point? Because I said the words "black person in a hoodie", I should apologize? this is not a racist slur....One can't even take this out of context & make it into something bad.

before I am hung out to dry for being a racist, like ya'll did to Harry Lime, let me say now that it is my belief that there's nothing closer to stupidity than racism. However, just because there was a murder of a black person in a hoodie does not mean that it is racist or wrong or even insensitive to ever use the words "black person in a hoodie" to make a point about a certain tendency of people to still avoid a "black person in a hoodie" (or pierced tattooed white dude) that they might encounter on the street.

The only thing that Harry Lime has done in here is share a rare stark honesty and ya'll missed it.

You were too busy raising your own standards and morals and wonderful fuckin personness . ...and then went riding off into the sunset making black movie jokes. Yee Hah, what a fucking joke indeed.
Mind you, I love bad jokes too, **and good ones** but what you all did to Harry Lime is terrible and unwarranted. Like Malloy said in that other thread, in the written form, you can separate words from "tone" or intent....so show me what harry said that was so fuckin bad.....except to reveal a raw human raw truth that ya'll killed him for.

He made an honest point, ....why should that person have to apologize and you have turned it into a crucifixion.

His very first post...

The entire post is anti-racist

Saying black people can "get away with a lot more" solely on account of being black is anti-racist?

if it's not anti-racist, it's spoken in a way that is very truthful, without being racist. It's true that culture is different among races. It's true that music of today sung by black performing artists contains more profanity than that of white performing artists. Maybe the best way to have an honest true discussion about racism is to acknowledge what is fact. There are differences in culture. Harry Lime didn't degrade one side or the other, what is fact is fact. Just because I acknowledge what is fact, am I a racist? wtf I say to thee

His point is that Jay-Z can write anti-white lyrics and "get away with it". This is true. If there were white artists performing anti-black lyrics, then no....they would NOT get away with it.

I've always believed that being pro-in one race is the same as racism. ... because it still draws prominence to "difference"

Did Harry Lime degrade any race? Not that I can see. He was stating what I just said, wasn't he?

See, this is the kind of dumb things that people present as fact when it's not. And then they wonder why they're being called out on saying bullshit.

It is fact. It's not dumb.

What do black artists get away with that white artists don't? Just because there may be more profanity in a person's music doesn't mean it's because they can get away with things that white artists can't. What white artists have been put through the legal scrutiny NWA or 2 Live Crew were subject to? Not public outcry, not monitoring of "potentially dangerous" personalities, but real legal scrutiny. Record stores being warned that if they sell copies of "As Nasty As They Wanna Be" they may be subject to prosecution on charges of distributing obscene materials. NWA being told they would be subject to arrest if they attempt to perform "Fuck tha Police."

I can't think of a single one. If you honestly believe on some level black people "get away with a lot more" because they're black then I don't really know how to respond to that, because I genuinely find that to be grossly untrue.

and here comes the mob right? are you also saying that there are no anti-white lyrics by Jay Z/? is that also some bullshit ?

Knee tunes, I think you are right in that this was overblown. In my opinion, Harry's biggest fault here was his general tone of seemingly "sticking up" for the white race and not really being able to produce sound arguments for his opinions/views. I also think that he was pretty unpopular with the RM regulars and they took every opportunity to make him miserable, which is why I initially stuck up for him.

Though Harry is a little donkey brained, the whole thing is a little blown out of proportion. However, I stand by the racist movie titles for the sake of good comedy, which I think we can all agree is sacred.

The best discussion about racism could probably be addressed by being totally honest about how things are. Does Racism exist in your above example. Racism also goes both ways. Racism is differences that are unfair. Difference in culture is not racism, is it? Difference in culture does exist though... I don't believe it's racism.

To me, racism is degrading one race over the other. Pointing out differences in culture or art or style in expression thereof isn't racism, is it?

Maybe singing about Fuck Tha Police ain't a great idea no matter what color you are, no? or am I racist for saying that.

Are you saying that the scrutiny of "as nasty as they wanna be" and "fuck that police" was brought about by the aritsts skin color and not the material itself?

^^^^to answer this question, just think of a white artist's material that is comparable to "as nasty as they wanna be" and "fuck tha police"

Oh, good. I'm sure this FACT comes from a thorough analysis and is absolutely not just based on anecdotal evidence.

racist lyrics, no?

are you saying there actually would be evidence on profanity in lyrics that's NOT anecdotal.

what

The fact that not a single act from the burgeoning Hatecore genre has been threatened with arrests for publicly performing their music suggests that, yes, race very likely played a large role in the targeting of NWA and 2 Live Crew, and that, no, racist lyrics are not something that only black artists can "get away with."

I am uncomfortable posting any more like this. I never even refer to a person by their skin color. I intentionally don't . My kids would say "the brown Matthew" to differentiate sometimes because they never heard the term "black person"

until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes..it's a war.

I just couldn't stand how badly harry lime was misunderstood in this thread. I knew what he was trying to say and I hate to see someone being persecuted so badly because of being misunderstood. He didn't degrade anybody. If anything, he was maybe naively unguardedly honest...

good night, ya'll