Wed January 11, 2017 8:42 pm
Monkey_Driven wrote:I feel like I hear the phrase he's a top ten player a lot. Who are everyone's top 10 players in the league right now?
Mine:
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Harden
4. Westbrook
5. Kawhi
6. Curry
7. Anthony Davis
8. Chris Paul
9. Paul George
10. Cousins
Wed January 11, 2017 8:58 pm
pnjguy wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:I feel like I hear the phrase he's a top ten player a lot. Who are everyone's top 10 players in the league right now?
Mine:
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Harden
4. Westbrook
5. Kawhi
6. Curry
7. Anthony Davis
8. Chris Paul
9. Paul George
10. Cousins
Sub in Butler and Giannis for George and Cousins and I like your list.
Thu January 12, 2017 12:16 am
Monkey_Driven wrote:I feel like I hear the phrase he's a top ten player a lot. Who are everyone's top 10 players in the league right now?
Mine:
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Harden
4. Westbrook
5. Kawhi
6. Curry
7. Anthony Davis
8. Chris Paul
9. Paul George
10. Cousins
Thu January 12, 2017 12:29 am
4/5 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:I feel like I hear the phrase he's a top ten player a lot. Who are everyone's top 10 players in the league right now?
Mine:
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Harden
4. Westbrook
5. Kawhi
6. Curry
7. Anthony Davis
8. Chris Paul
9. Paul George
10. Cousins
1. LeBron
2. KD
3. Westbrook
4. Kawhi
5. Curry
6-10 gets a little blurrier for me:
Harden I guess, CP3, Boogie, Healthy Anthony Davis, maybe Giannis, idk.
Thu January 12, 2017 12:45 am
Thu January 12, 2017 1:08 am
4/5 wrote:I guess Harden is definitely top 6, I'm just still biased against him for all the matador defense he's been famous for.
Thu January 12, 2017 4:03 am
Thu January 12, 2017 4:18 am
Thu January 12, 2017 3:07 pm
Monkey_Driven wrote:His style of play irritates me at time, but there's no denying his talent.
verb_to_trust wrote:Also, why does Steph get a pass on defense and Harden doesn't? Because Steph hunts steals?
Thu January 12, 2017 3:33 pm
verb_to_trust wrote:Also, why does Steph get a pass on defense and Harden doesn't? Because Steph hunts steals?
Thu January 12, 2017 4:22 pm
verb_to_trust wrote:As far as Harden is concerned if we are going to shit on him for his style of play then all the Jimmy overrating around here comes off as even more extreme. Jimmys game is Harden Lite with some defense. Hunting fouls, dominating the ball ect.
Also, why does Steph get a pass on defense and Harden doesn't? Because Steph hunts steals?
Thu January 12, 2017 4:24 pm
Thu January 12, 2017 4:32 pm
pnjguy wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:As far as Harden is concerned if we are going to shit on him for his style of play then all the Jimmy overrating around here comes off as even more extreme. Jimmys game is Harden Lite with some defense. Hunting fouls, dominating the ball ect.
Also, why does Steph get a pass on defense and Harden doesn't? Because Steph hunts steals?
Hunting fouls? Sounds like efficient offense to me.
Thu January 12, 2017 4:35 pm
pnjguy wrote:Harden has been phenomenal this season.
Thu January 12, 2017 4:37 pm
Thu January 12, 2017 4:53 pm
bada wrote:Lil' Isaiah or bust!
Thu January 12, 2017 4:56 pm
verb_to_trust wrote:pnjguy wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:As far as Harden is concerned if we are going to shit on him for his style of play then all the Jimmy overrating around here comes off as even more extreme. Jimmys game is Harden Lite with some defense. Hunting fouls, dominating the ball ect.
Also, why does Steph get a pass on defense and Harden doesn't? Because Steph hunts steals?
Hunting fouls? Sounds like efficient offense to me.
I never said it wasn't efficient. And by efficient I mean good for regular season production and much more of a struggle come playoff time when defense tightens up and free throw hunters are left with the reality of their offensive limitations. Even Harden, who is much more talented than Jimmy, saw his efficiency drop from his regular season numbers in the postseason last year.
I'd pull up Jimmy's playoff averages for a quick look but he's never made the playoffs as the number one option on his team so it wouldn't really give me accurate info.
Thu January 12, 2017 4:57 pm
verb_to_trust wrote:pnjguy wrote:Harden has been phenomenal this season.
Yep. Probably deserved MVP over Steph a few years ago too but his game isn't as pleasing to the eye. That rockets team will be interesting. Mike D has always failed as a coach in the playoffs.
Thu January 12, 2017 4:59 pm
pnjguy wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:pnjguy wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:As far as Harden is concerned if we are going to shit on him for his style of play then all the Jimmy overrating around here comes off as even more extreme. Jimmys game is Harden Lite with some defense. Hunting fouls, dominating the ball ect.
Also, why does Steph get a pass on defense and Harden doesn't? Because Steph hunts steals?
Hunting fouls? Sounds like efficient offense to me.
I never said it wasn't efficient. And by efficient I mean good for regular season production and much more of a struggle come playoff time when defense tightens up and free throw hunters are left with the reality of their offensive limitations. Even Harden, who is much more talented than Jimmy, saw his efficiency drop from his regular season numbers in the postseason last year.
I'd pull up Jimmy's playoff averages for a quick look but he's never made the playoffs as the number one option on his team so it wouldn't really give me accurate info.
I don't buy the term "free throw hunters" at least in the negative connotation. It takes a tremendous amount of skill, strength, balance, and endurance to put yourself in a position to get fouled consistently. And then to knock down free throws. I'm also not buying the regular season vs. playoff difference from one series against the best defense in the league for 5 games. I would venture the guess that offensive efficiency as a whole goes down in the playoffs given the quality of opponents.
It may not be aesthetically pleasing to some, but putting the ball in the hands of a guy with strength, skill, and awareness to score and make the right plays is the best option especially in late game situations. The Warriors have been a different breed considering the unique skill they have at all 5 positions.
Thu January 12, 2017 5:04 pm
Monkey_Driven wrote:pnjguy wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:pnjguy wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:As far as Harden is concerned if we are going to shit on him for his style of play then all the Jimmy overrating around here comes off as even more extreme. Jimmys game is Harden Lite with some defense. Hunting fouls, dominating the ball ect.
Also, why does Steph get a pass on defense and Harden doesn't? Because Steph hunts steals?
Hunting fouls? Sounds like efficient offense to me.
I never said it wasn't efficient. And by efficient I mean good for regular season production and much more of a struggle come playoff time when defense tightens up and free throw hunters are left with the reality of their offensive limitations. Even Harden, who is much more talented than Jimmy, saw his efficiency drop from his regular season numbers in the postseason last year.
I'd pull up Jimmy's playoff averages for a quick look but he's never made the playoffs as the number one option on his team so it wouldn't really give me accurate info.
I don't buy the term "free throw hunters" at least in the negative connotation. It takes a tremendous amount of skill, strength, balance, and endurance to put yourself in a position to get fouled consistently. And then to knock down free throws. I'm also not buying the regular season vs. playoff difference from one series against the best defense in the league for 5 games. I would venture the guess that offensive efficiency as a whole goes down in the playoffs given the quality of opponents.
It may not be aesthetically pleasing to some, but putting the ball in the hands of a guy with strength, skill, and awareness to score and make the right plays is the best option especially in late game situations. The Warriors have been a different breed considering the unique skill they have at all 5 positions.
I don't mind it when he drives and is fouled going to the basket. I hate the jumping into defenders and the purposely hooking his arms up under a defender in good position. Refs need to stop calling that shit.