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Duchene, huh?

wowzers. not sure why we had to give em turris though. i really would have like to shed some of put defensive depth. will miss turris the mormon.


Yeah, I'm not sure how much I like the trade for Ottawa. Duchene is a bigger name, but they've been pretty similar players the last 4-5 years, and it was a pretty big price for what looks like a small upgrade (although Duchene could very well become more productive again now that he's out of Colorado, in which case it starts to look like a really solid move for Ottawa).

The problem I have with it is pretty much what you said: it looks like they're interested in pushing to win while Karlsson is still around, so why not give up more future assets to bring in Duchene without giving up Turris and REALLY push for a Cup this year or next? It just seems like a half measure rather than a real effort to go for it.

maybe we will still make another move?

Ugh I wish we still had Methot instead of Oduya too. What do you think about Phaneuf not waiving his no trade clause? He would have never been picked, right?


While most Ottawa fans seem to be comfortable with Phaneuf (which I continue to think is hilarious given their opinions of him prior to the trade), it's hard to argue that they wouldn't be in a much better position if they had never acquired him. Instead, they would have Methot for a couple million less without the long-term commitment. Maybe then they could have afforded to sign Turris. Or maybe they would have enough to extend Karlsson next year.

Having more than $14 million tied up in a couple secondary guys (Ryan and Phaneuf) for the next four years puts them in a really tough spot, especially when almost all of their key players hit free agency this year or next.


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Watching highlights and now I'm psyched about Duchene.

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philpritchard wrote:
Dev wrote:
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Duchene, huh?

wowzers. not sure why we had to give em turris though. i really would have like to shed some of put defensive depth. will miss turris the mormon.


Yeah, I'm not sure how much I like the trade for Ottawa. Duchene is a bigger name, but they've been pretty similar players the last 4-5 years, and it was a pretty big price for what looks like a small upgrade (although Duchene could very well become more productive again now that he's out of Colorado, in which case it starts to look like a really solid move for Ottawa).

The problem I have with it is pretty much what you said: it looks like they're interested in pushing to win while Karlsson is still around, so why not give up more future assets to bring in Duchene without giving up Turris and REALLY push for a Cup this year or next? It just seems like a half measure rather than a real effort to go for it.

maybe we will still make another move?

Ugh I wish we still had Methot instead of Oduya too. What do you think about Phaneuf not waiving his no trade clause? He would have never been picked, right?


While most Ottawa fans seem to be comfortable with Phaneuf (which I continue to think is hilarious given their opinions of him prior to the trade), it's hard to argue that they wouldn't be in a much better position if they had never acquired him. Instead, they would have Methot for a couple million less without the long-term commitment. Maybe then they could have afforded to sign Turris. Or maybe they would have enough to extend Karlsson next year.

Having more than $14 million tied up in a couple secondary guys (Ryan and Phaneuf) for the next four years puts them in a really tough spot, especially when almost all of their key players hit free agency this year or next.

All I was suggesting is we probably could have kept Phaneuf and Methot. I think Phaneuf and Ryan are underated. Two of my favorite players. Phaneuf found new life here.

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Dev wrote:
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Duchene, huh?

wowzers. not sure why we had to give em turris though. i really would have like to shed some of put defensive depth. will miss turris the mormon.


Yeah, I'm not sure how much I like the trade for Ottawa. Duchene is a bigger name, but they've been pretty similar players the last 4-5 years, and it was a pretty big price for what looks like a small upgrade (although Duchene could very well become more productive again now that he's out of Colorado, in which case it starts to look like a really solid move for Ottawa).

The problem I have with it is pretty much what you said: it looks like they're interested in pushing to win while Karlsson is still around, so why not give up more future assets to bring in Duchene without giving up Turris and REALLY push for a Cup this year or next? It just seems like a half measure rather than a real effort to go for it.

maybe we will still make another move?

Ugh I wish we still had Methot instead of Oduya too. What do you think about Phaneuf not waiving his no trade clause? He would have never been picked, right?


While most Ottawa fans seem to be comfortable with Phaneuf (which I continue to think is hilarious given their opinions of him prior to the trade), it's hard to argue that they wouldn't be in a much better position if they had never acquired him. Instead, they would have Methot for a couple million less without the long-term commitment. Maybe then they could have afforded to sign Turris. Or maybe they would have enough to extend Karlsson next year.

Having more than $14 million tied up in a couple secondary guys (Ryan and Phaneuf) for the next four years puts them in a really tough spot, especially when almost all of their key players hit free agency this year or next.

All I was suggesting is we probably could have kept Phaneuf and Methot. I think Phaneuf and Ryan are underated. Two of my favorite players. Phaneuf found new life here.


Oh I know, but I'm suggesting things would be even better if they had never acquired Phaneuf because they wouldn't have $7 million committed to him for the next four years. If he made $4-5 million it wouldn't be an issue, but at $7 million he prevents them from doing other, more important things (like offering Turris a reasonable contract or, probably, extending the best defenseman in the league). Same goes for Ryan.

And Phaneuf is the same player he always was in Toronto, he just isn't playing against other teams' best players anymore.


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philpritchard wrote:
Dev wrote:
philpritchard wrote:
Dev wrote:
philpritchard wrote:
Dev wrote:
philpritchard wrote:
Duchene, huh?

wowzers. not sure why we had to give em turris though. i really would have like to shed some of put defensive depth. will miss turris the mormon.


Yeah, I'm not sure how much I like the trade for Ottawa. Duchene is a bigger name, but they've been pretty similar players the last 4-5 years, and it was a pretty big price for what looks like a small upgrade (although Duchene could very well become more productive again now that he's out of Colorado, in which case it starts to look like a really solid move for Ottawa).

The problem I have with it is pretty much what you said: it looks like they're interested in pushing to win while Karlsson is still around, so why not give up more future assets to bring in Duchene without giving up Turris and REALLY push for a Cup this year or next? It just seems like a half measure rather than a real effort to go for it.

maybe we will still make another move?

Ugh I wish we still had Methot instead of Oduya too. What do you think about Phaneuf not waiving his no trade clause? He would have never been picked, right?


While most Ottawa fans seem to be comfortable with Phaneuf (which I continue to think is hilarious given their opinions of him prior to the trade), it's hard to argue that they wouldn't be in a much better position if they had never acquired him. Instead, they would have Methot for a couple million less without the long-term commitment. Maybe then they could have afforded to sign Turris. Or maybe they would have enough to extend Karlsson next year.

Having more than $14 million tied up in a couple secondary guys (Ryan and Phaneuf) for the next four years puts them in a really tough spot, especially when almost all of their key players hit free agency this year or next.

All I was suggesting is we probably could have kept Phaneuf and Methot. I think Phaneuf and Ryan are underated. Two of my favorite players. Phaneuf found new life here.


Oh I know, but I'm suggesting things would be even better if they had never acquired Phaneuf because they wouldn't have $7 million committed to him for the next four years. If he made $4-5 million it wouldn't be an issue, but at $7 million he prevents them from doing other, more important things (like offering Turris a reasonable contract or, probably, extending the best defenseman in the league). Same goes for Ryan.

And Phaneuf is the same player he always was in Toronto, he just isn't playing against other teams' best players anymore.

You guys expected too much of him. Hell of a character player though. The kind of dude you want to battle with.

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just caught the leafs in points.


Proud of you.

we're both off to a good start. do you think we might meet in the playoffs this year?


It's not looking good.


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philpritchard wrote:
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just caught the leafs in points.


Proud of you.

we're both off to a good start. do you think we might meet in the playoffs this year?


It's not looking good.

lol

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