Tue April 07, 2015 3:15 am
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Tue April 07, 2015 3:24 am
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Tue April 07, 2015 3:41 am
spike wrote:badgers got this far in the tourney because dekker stepped up. tonight, he was a non factor.
Tue April 07, 2015 3:51 am
Chris_H_2 wrote:spike wrote:badgers got this far in the tourney because dekker stepped up. tonight, he was a non factor.
It looked like he was playing concussed tonight.
Tue April 07, 2015 12:00 pm
Mon July 27, 2015 4:18 am
Mon July 27, 2015 1:00 pm
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. No minor league has the type of traditions, atmosphere, history, etc., that college football has. Paying players won't change any of that.Redemption wrote:Minor league football, instead of college football....it'll turn into any other minor league type sport.
Tue July 28, 2015 7:17 am
Green Habit wrote:I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. No minor league has the type of traditions, atmosphere, history, etc., that college football has. Paying players won't change any of that.Redemption wrote:Minor league football, instead of college football....it'll turn into any other minor league type sport.
Tue July 28, 2015 2:17 pm
Redemption wrote:Green Habit wrote:I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. No minor league has the type of traditions, atmosphere, history, etc., that college football has. Paying players won't change any of that.Redemption wrote:Minor league football, instead of college football....it'll turn into any other minor league type sport.
I think it would. A lot of people agree with me. The tradition and history of a lot of these storied programs...the focus- trading players, contracts, salary caps, the focus would shift to that....I'm all for paying players that don't make it to the NFL a stipend for a number of years, but its just not the same if they're being payed.
Like a microcosm of society, what is the motivation, at your core, for the things you do? Is it to make money-for the %1 of college players that make it to the NFL, sure, it probably is. The rest play for pride, to win, for their tradition, for those that came before them and made that school what it was. Not a paycheck. And that's what's stake...
As it is....for me anyway...every single game is a playoff.....1 loss and the season could be over.
Tue July 28, 2015 2:49 pm
Allowing players to be compensated doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be done exactly like the NFL does. I honestly don't know what the best system would be, since we're so far away from even getting that far. But that doesn't mean we can't take some baby steps. You mentioned one such way with stipends. Another one that I complain about a lot is that players should be able to control their own likeness.Redemption wrote:The tradition and history of a lot of these storied programs...the focus- trading players, contracts, salary caps, the focus would shift to that....I'm all for paying players that don't make it to the NFL a stipend for a number of years, but its just not the same if they're being payed.
I don't see how playing for pride and playing to win the game can't be mutually inclusive with playing for some money. The coaches do it all the time--should we telling Nick Saban that he should be coaching for those things instead of $7 million per season? And that's something we shouldn't forget: plenty of people and entities do make money off of college football, yet we seem to have some hangup on compensating the people that are ultimately responsible for the product in the first place.Redemption wrote:Like a microcosm of society, what is the motivation, at your core, for the things you do? Is it to make money-for the %1 of college players that make it to the NFL, sure, it probably is. The rest play for pride, to win, for their tradition, for those that came before them and made that school what it was. Not a paycheck. And that's what's stake...
Tue July 28, 2015 3:45 pm
Green Habit wrote:Allowing players to be compensated doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be done exactly like the NFL does. I honestly don't know what the best system would be, since we're so far away from even getting that far. But that doesn't mean we can't take some baby steps. You mentioned one such way with stipends. Another one that I complain about a lot is that players should be able to control their own likeness.Redemption wrote:The tradition and history of a lot of these storied programs...the focus- trading players, contracts, salary caps, the focus would shift to that....I'm all for paying players that don't make it to the NFL a stipend for a number of years, but its just not the same if they're being payed.I don't see how playing for pride and playing to win the game can't be mutually inclusive with playing for some money. The coaches do it all the time--should we telling Nick Saban that he should be coaching for those things instead of $7 million per season? And that's something we shouldn't forget: plenty of people and entities do make money off of college football, yet we seem to have some hangup on compensating the people that are ultimately responsible for the product in the first place.Redemption wrote:Like a microcosm of society, what is the motivation, at your core, for the things you do? Is it to make money-for the %1 of college players that make it to the NFL, sure, it probably is. The rest play for pride, to win, for their tradition, for those that came before them and made that school what it was. Not a paycheck. And that's what's stake...
Tue July 28, 2015 5:17 pm
Right, it's worth emphasizing that the problem isn't only that colleges aren't directly paying their players (and hell, maybe that isn't a problem!) The bigger problem is that players aren't allowed to get additionally compensated in any other fashion, even if the schools aren't involved.Fuck You Jobu wrote:So much this.
Tue July 28, 2015 7:18 pm
Green Habit wrote:Right, it's worth emphasizing that the problem isn't only that colleges aren't directly paying their players (and hell, maybe that isn't a problem!) The bigger problem is that players aren't allowed to get additionally compensated in any other fashion, even if the schools aren't involved.Fuck You Jobu wrote:So much this.
Wed July 29, 2015 2:18 am
Wed July 29, 2015 8:50 am
Green Habit wrote:Right, it's worth emphasizing that the problem isn't only that colleges aren't directly paying their players (and hell, maybe that isn't a problem!) The bigger problem is that players aren't allowed to get additionally compensated in any other fashion, even if the schools aren't involved.Fuck You Jobu wrote:So much this.
Wed July 29, 2015 1:45 pm
Wed July 29, 2015 2:37 pm
darth_vedder wrote:I don't think colleges should turn into farm teams for the NFL, and I do not think the players should flat out be paid.
I would rather tweak the rules so players get payments in the form of: scholarships, food / meal plans, tutoring, insurance, and whatever else I'm not thinking of right now.
For star players, if they can make money off their name via autographs, jersey sales, EA's College Football game, whatever, then I think that is ok too.
I think something needs to change, but I don't know if I'm on board with just paying players a salary / hourly wage.
Wed July 29, 2015 3:23 pm
Fuck You Jobu wrote:darth_vedder wrote:I don't think colleges should turn into farm teams for the NFL, and I do not think the players should flat out be paid.
I would rather tweak the rules so players get payments in the form of: scholarships, food / meal plans, tutoring, insurance, and whatever else I'm not thinking of right now.
For star players, if they can make money off their name via autographs, jersey sales, EA's College Football game, whatever, then I think that is ok too.
I think something needs to change, but I don't know if I'm on board with just paying players a salary / hourly wage.
Why not?
I wrote this earlier in the thread:
In regards to the players getting a college education as compensation, how does that affect someone like Devin Hester? He's not intelligent at all, but he did bring in a lot of money to Miami, so how will an 'education' help him? He's not bright enough to graduate. To put it another way, say I wanted to hire you to come clean up my big yard that is full of dogshit. It's a huge yard with a lot of dogs and you'll work very hard shoveling >10hrs a day. I won't pay you any money. But I will teach how to become a super-advanced rocket engineer that will be worth millions!! This education does require a Mensa type intelligence. I'll see you reporting for work tomorrow, right? I mean the education is worth millions of dollars.
Also, how much of an "education" are most of these guys getting if they are spending all their time in the gym, going to meetings, practicing? It's basically a full time (+OT), so how much time is left for this "free education"? Some can manage sure, but as we're seeing more can't.... Look at the SEC graduation rates...
Sure they should be able to get food/shelter. And they should get insurance if injured while practicing/playing. That's a no-brainer. But why aren't they compensated at a market value like 99% of the other jobs. With training, gym, travel to games, meetings and practice, this is a fulltime job. Would you be working your fulltime job without money compensation and for free cafeteria food?