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Am I wrong in thinking that the Red Sox throughout the last 20 years regardless of who the GM was, have done a terrible job of evaluating their own players in their minor league system?


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Am I wrong in thinking that the Red Sox throughout the last 20 years regardless of who the GM was, have done a terrible job of evaluating their own players in their minor league system?

I would disagree with this. I think it's more of an issue of identifying and drafting/signing amateur talent at certain positions, the most notable being pitchers, which, yeah--that's going to be a problem. If you take a look at the four World Series squads, there is a dearth of pitching that the team has developed from the ground-up. Off the top of my head...Lester and Buchholz (lol, I know) are the only starters that were really 100% Sox prospects that got built into quality major league pitchers. In the pen, I wouldn't put anyone near Papelbon (Hembree and Barnes both pitched big innings for the team at times, but they only held onto one of them, which tells you something). You could build a solid lineup with just Sox prospects dating back to 2000 (or maybe even just back to 2010), but the pitching would be incredibly thin.

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Am I wrong in thinking that the Red Sox throughout the last 20 years regardless of who the GM was, have done a terrible job of evaluating their own players in their minor league system?

I would disagree with this. I think it's more of an issue of identifying and drafting/signing amateur talent at certain positions, the most notable being pitchers, which, yeah--that's going to be a problem. If you take a look at the four World Series squads, there is a dearth of pitching that the team has developed from the ground-up. Off the top of my head...Lester and Buchholz (lol, I know) are the only starters that were really 100% Sox prospects that got built into quality major league pitchers. In the pen, I wouldn't put anyone near Papelbon (Hembree and Barnes both pitched big innings for the team at times, but they only held onto one of them, which tells you something). You could build a solid lineup with just Sox prospects dating back to 2000 (or maybe even just back to 2010), but the pitching would be incredibly thin.

I also would toss this question out there: are there any prospects the Sox have traded away or dumped that you would want back? Rizzo and Moncada are the two that jump to mind for me, but the returns were so great (or considered great at the time) that you've gotta make that move sometimes.

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Am I wrong in thinking that the Red Sox throughout the last 20 years regardless of who the GM was, have done a terrible job of evaluating their own players in their minor league system?

I would disagree with this. I think it's more of an issue of identifying and drafting/signing amateur talent at certain positions, the most notable being pitchers, which, yeah--that's going to be a problem. If you take a look at the four World Series squads, there is a dearth of pitching that the team has developed from the ground-up. Off the top of my head...Lester and Buchholz (lol, I know) are the only starters that were really 100% Sox prospects that got built into quality major league pitchers. In the pen, I wouldn't put anyone near Papelbon (Hembree and Barnes both pitched big innings for the team at times, but they only held onto one of them, which tells you something). You could build a solid lineup with just Sox prospects dating back to 2000 (or maybe even just back to 2010), but the pitching would be incredibly thin.

I also would toss this question out there: are there any prospects the Sox have traded away or dumped that you would want back? Rizzo and Moncada are the two that jump to mind for me, but the returns were so great (or considered great at the time) that you've gotta make that move sometimes.


Rizzo would be nice, but i was more focusing on how the minor leaguers that end up being legit major league talent are often not the prospects they were high on and vice versa. We didn’t ever hear Mookie’s name until about 2 months before he was in the majors, and this was at the same time they were pushing Lars Anderson as an elite power bat.


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I'm sure every team hypes and pours resources into prospects that don't work out, but I don't know if the Sox do it at a higher rate than other teams. I'd be interested in crunching the numbers when it comes to high-round draft picks who become MLB regulars or something like that.

Mookie I think is actually probably the best example from the past 20 years of the farm system doing an excellent job in identifying and nurturing in-house talent and capitalizing on it right away. The dude was a 5th-round pick and had fewer than 100 AA+AAA games under his belt before they called him up and he was an instant All Star.

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