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Post subject: Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:04 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35446
Empire turns 39 today. We wouldn’t be talking about this film today if it weren’t for Mark Hamills acting ability and performance making us believe in that little green puppet was alive.
Empire turns 39 today. We wouldn’t be talking about this film today if it weren’t for Mark Hamills acting ability and performance making us believe in that little green puppet was alive.
All credit to him.
Not sure I totally agree with you here but I like the sentiment.
Post subject: Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 7:16 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35446
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
Empire turns 39 today. We wouldn’t be talking about this film today if it weren’t for Mark Hamills acting ability and performance making us believe in that little green puppet was alive.
All credit to him.
Not sure I totally agree with you here but I like the sentiment.
Top down they all say if Yoda doesn’t work the film is a disaster. Marshall brought Yoda to life.
But it’s hamills performance that makes you immediately buy into it.
Empire turns 39 today. We wouldn’t be talking about this film today if it weren’t for Mark Hamills acting ability and performance making us believe in that little green puppet was alive.
All credit to him.
Not sure I totally agree with you here but I like the sentiment.
Top down they all say if Yoda doesn’t work the film is a disaster. Marshall brought Yoda to life.
But it’s hamills performance that makes you immediately buy into it.
I'm not a big fan of Hamill as an actor, honestly. But I agree with all the rest of it. Yoda is amazing. But Frank Oz deserves all the credit for that.
Post subject: Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:25 pm
Troglodyte
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 22496 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
I watched this with the kids last night, and I noticed something. The opening crawl says, "Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth."
Now, Luke's a Commander, he outranks Solo, but did you ever have the impression he was in charge at Echo Base, like THE leader? Not Leia who briefs the troops on their evacuation plan? Not the General who Solo talks to about leaving to pay his bounty? Not Solo who is barking orders at everyone when Luke goes missing?
He's obviously the leader of Rogue Squadron, ONE squadron, but he's not running this whole operation. Would you have sent your top leader off into a hostile environment to do the peon's job of scanning for life?
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I watched this with the kids last night, and I noticed something. The opening crawl says, "Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth."
Now, Luke's a Commander, he outranks Solo, but did you ever have the impression he was in charge at Echo Base, like THE leader? Not Leia who briefs the troops on their evacuation plan? Not the General who Solo talks to about leaving to pay his bounty? Not Solo who is barking orders at everyone when Luke goes missing?
He's obviously the leader of Rogue Squadron, ONE squadron, but he's not running this whole operation. Would you have sent your top leader off into a hostile environment to do the peon's job of scanning for life?
I'm not sure you're supposed to read that as he's the literal person in charge. More like a leader in a spiritual sense, not a military sense. Leader as in a person people will rally behind and follow because of their charisma and skill, not their rank.
Post subject: Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back
Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:34 pm
Troglodyte
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 22496 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
durdencommatyler wrote:
B wrote:
wease wrote:
And I thought Captain was a higher rank than Commander.
I tried googling ranks. It's apparently very complicated. I could be wrong about that.
If we go by Star Trek rules -- and why wouldn't we??? -- Captain is higher than Commander.
If that's right, then Luke is even less the leader that I thought.
I think it's a bit apologetic to say "he's the spiritual leader." I mean ... words matter. They could have said that in the crawl. They could have said "led by Princess Leia Organa" or not said "led by" at all. They chose to say this band of rebels was led by Luke Skywalker, and they are clearly not led by Luke.
_________________ Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
And I thought Captain was a higher rank than Commander.
I tried googling ranks. It's apparently very complicated. I could be wrong about that.
If we go by Star Trek rules -- and why wouldn't we??? -- Captain is higher than Commander.
If that's right, then Luke is even less the leader that I thought.
I think it's a bit apologetic to say "he's the spiritual leader." I mean ... words matter. They could have said that in the crawl. They could have said "led by Princess Leia Organa" or not said "led by" at all. They chose to say this band of rebels was led by Luke Skywalker, and they are clearly not led by Luke.
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