It is a genuinely challenging film in the way that it subverts genre expectations and doesn't make easy choices. But I think pretty much everything it does is faithful to the mythos and the characters. It creates some new themes and revitalizes old ones without simply recycling them .

Not everyone is going to come around on this film. If you genuinely don't like someone's performance, don't enjoy the humor, don't find the set pieces thrilling, then that may not change. If you've ever used Star Wars and SJW unironically in the same sentence then there's no hope for you (in so many ways). But if you're someone whose initial reactions were colored by the way in which the film was challenging (and you've made arguments about character motivations, poor writing, inconsistent, etc) then it's likely to open up over time.

That's not unique to Star Wars in any way (and while I was on board with TLJ from jump there are no shortage of examples in my own life with music, movies, etc where I came around to love or respect things I initially took issue with because it wasn't what I wanted or expected. We all experience this). On RM there is no better example of that then Riot Act - an album that played against type and expectations when it was released, and disappointed a lot of people, many of whom came back around once they had the opportunity to engage the album on its own terms

Apparently Rian Johnson earlier confirmed this. That is actually a Darth Vader shampoo bottle in that scene.

Perhaps he is just Fucking with us

Apparently Rian Johnson earlier confirmed this. That is actually a Darth Vader shampoo bottle in that scene.

Perhaps he is just Fucking with us

I had that shampoo bottle and several others. After I used up the shampoo, my mom used to fill them back up with whatever generic shampoo we used normally.

Stip and DcT will particularly enjoy this

This Star Wars Analysis Will End the Debate About Luke Skywalker's Character in The Last Jedi
Sorry haters.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/m ... -analysis/

It’s fuckin bizarre to me people don’t get that. He doesn’t decide he’s beaten Vader. He realises he’s about to become him and fall to the dark so he stops.

It’s sooooo completely baffling people could see it any other way.

But the tweet thread quoted in the article, I’ve been following it all week and yep. Those people are out there. In numbers. And REFUSE to see the reality of that in ROTJ and the through line into TLJ.

People man....uuuuggggghhhhhhh


But yeah. I reckon you’re gonna see it be your favourite. And mine maybe. It’s far braver and far more complex and rewarding than empire. I can say that much now. It’s our life long love of empire that needs to make peace with the idea this one might just be better overall.

Luke never struck me as being close to turning to the dark side in ROTJ, but he was right to be fearful of it. He didn't fight the Emperor himself, because he knew it could lead to the dark side, and besides it would probably be a losing fight at that point. He spares his father out of love and hope, not out of honour. He also sensed doubt in his father, and in the end the help from his father is what saved him.

Luke never struck me as being close to turning to the dark side in ROTJ, but he was right to be fearful of it. He didn't fight the Emperor himself, because he knew it could lead to the dark side, and besides it would probably be a losing fight at that point. He spares his father out of love and hope, not out of honour. He also sensed doubt in his father, and in the end the help from his father is what saved him.

Luke starts RotJ force choking bitches and slaughtering a literal boatload of people, and you're not sure if he was flirting with the dark side or not?