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Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Thu January 10, 2019 6:46 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 2:03 pm Posts: 3192
I didn't really have much of an issue with Rey's arc. I think I'm just disappointed it follows Luke's arc a bit. I kinda wish we were introduced to her a different way.
Like her force abilities are awakening, and sending force waves that Luke feels and Snoke/Kylo feel, and they are on separate ends of a chase to find this new force user before the other side does.
So instead of the map to Luke Skywalker, we have the search for a force user.
I dunno. Something a bit different. Just to avoid the Death Star III plot.
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Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Thu January 10, 2019 7:24 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35481
stip wrote:
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
I sometimes wonder am I watching different films than other people. Really
She doesn’t do anything with the force apart from a mind trick. That’s it. It’s wll she’s ever heard about Jedi apart from they can move things with their minds. That’s all
She used the force at the beginning to make her bread appear in that pot.
I did laugh
At some point this week I'll post a bit more about Rey's introduction. But no time today
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Thu January 10, 2019 7:36 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35481
Let’s not forget. The force literally calls to Rey and chooses her. She’s drawn down to find Luke’s saber. It takes her there. It shows her that vision. That’s her moment of awakening. That’s also when she hears Ben Kenobi. It’s crystalised in that one moment. Then she’s told the path is ahead not behind. She can’t accept that in that moment.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Thu January 10, 2019 9:27 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 2:03 pm Posts: 3192
dimejinky99 wrote:
Let’s not forget. The force literally calls to Rey and chooses her. She’s drawn down to find Luke’s saber. It takes her there. It shows her that vision. That’s her moment of awakening. That’s also when she hears Ben Kenobi. It’s crystalised in that one moment. Then she’s told the path is ahead not behind. She can’t accept that in that moment.
Seems like other people can’t seem to either.
oooh, something that would have been cool is that she's drawn to the force and it's wanting her to go a certain place and she doesn't know what for and she meets finn, millennium falcon, han like normal but the end up going to cloud city and she's drawn somewhere down below and Han thinks she's crazy but takes the MF down into the gas and she finds the lightsaber and ignites it. there's a lot to tweak to make it work.
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Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Thu January 10, 2019 9:29 pm
jeeeesus relax already
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:10 pm Posts: 36256
dimejinky99 wrote:
Has nobody here watched TFA with JJs commentary on? Give it a spin. Far more insightful than Rians for TLJ but it answers a lot of these things that are obvious but seem to confuse people or give them hang ups
If i need to watch a movie with a commentary on from the director to have answers...yeah, thats bad storytelling.
Not that i think thats a problem with these two movies. I liked them. But they have plot holes like crazy.
Let’s not forget. The force literally calls to Rey and chooses her. She’s drawn down to find Luke’s saber. It takes her there. It shows her that vision. That’s her moment of awakening. That’s also when she hears Ben Kenobi. It’s crystalised in that one moment. Then she’s told the path is ahead not behind. She can’t accept that in that moment.
Seems like other people can’t seem to either.
oooh, something that would have been cool is that she's drawn to the force and it's wanting her to go a certain place and she doesn't know what for and she meets finn, millennium falcon, han like normal but the end up going to cloud city and she's drawn somewhere down below and Han thinks she's crazy but takes the MF down into the gas and she finds the lightsaber and ignites it. there's a lot to tweak to make it work.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Thu January 10, 2019 9:37 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 2:03 pm Posts: 3192
Anders wrote:
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
Let’s not forget. The force literally calls to Rey and chooses her. She’s drawn down to find Luke’s saber. It takes her there. It shows her that vision. That’s her moment of awakening. That’s also when she hears Ben Kenobi. It’s crystalised in that one moment. Then she’s told the path is ahead not behind. She can’t accept that in that moment.
Seems like other people can’t seem to either.
oooh, something that would have been cool is that she's drawn to the force and it's wanting her to go a certain place and she doesn't know what for and she meets finn, millennium falcon, han like normal but the end up going to cloud city and she's drawn somewhere down below and Han thinks she's crazy but takes the MF down into the gas and she finds the lightsaber and ignites it. there's a lot to tweak to make it work.
The Last Jedi doesn’t sound that bad anymore.
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Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Thu January 10, 2019 11:33 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35481
Still think it’s beautiful that both Enfys Nest in Solo and Luke in TLJ both say ‘the war is just beginning’ (she says ‘the war is just begun’) but no matter..and both in relation to the Rebellion. Love this stuff
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Fri January 11, 2019 12:17 pm
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 39887
Anywho, back to Rey's origins, the first scene we get of her is her repelling down from the heights of the cavernous interior of that Star Destroyer (for a couple of spare parts that are essentially worth just a meal or two). We learn she is resourceful, and desperate. She's a survivor (we also get that from her living out alone in the desert, making due with what she can find). She is hungry all the time (watch how she eats). There is that wonderful shot of her banging out the last few drops of water completely overwhelmed by her environment. It makes her feel small and insignificant (which is how she does feel) while at the same time establishing that she can somehow survive in the face of all this.
There is an innocence to her despite all that - something almost childish and frozen in time that she is desperately trying to hold onto to (counting the days she's been waiting for her parents, the way she smiles playing with her helmet, the X-wing doll on her shelf). And that innocence at least in part informs her moral core. That despite everything she has to struggle with underneath it all is a personal commitment to just being a good person (which is, actually, a new motivation for a star wars character). It is on display with her desire to help BB-8, her refusal to sell him when she is starving, even in the fact that her first words in the trilogy are declaring that that scavenger who finds BB8 "has no respect for anyone"
And finally, we establish right off the bat in her early dialogue with BB-8 (and running through the movie) that what she wants more than anything else is to be a part of something that validates her and feels like a family or community. Finn is looking for the same thing. Rey finds it in the Rebellion. Finn initially finds it in Rey, but gradually shifts that to the larger Rebellion. It is why Luke's rejection feels so painful - not only does the Rebellion need her. She needs him. His refusal to be the mentor she wants challenges her place in the story (and the new trilogy, thus far, has self-consciously been at least in part a meta-textual look into how stories work). This, alongside her general refusal to give up on people, is why she keep assuming that Kylo can be redeemed. She assumes he wants the same thing she does (and he does. He just doesn't have her moral center)
We do get the flashback that shows us she was given to Unko Plott (or whatever his name is) so we know what happened to her at least in the aftermath of her parents abandoning her. We know she was trusted enough to be allowed to work on the Millennium Falcon so she almost certainly didn't go off on her own until she was old enough to survive independently.
Given all of that, what else do we need to know about who she is and where she came from? The film gives us everything we need, and shows us without telling us.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Fri January 11, 2019 12:48 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35481
JJ says later in the commentary that she’s been all her life desperate to find family and someone who cares for her and she gets that by the end of TFA and beyond.
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