God I want to watch a star wars movie with you so bad.

We should do a Skype call live watch and make it an rm interview.

Whatever happened to those anywyas

curious, what do you mean by this?

I was referring to some comments on the previous page.

I watched most of this again last night. Just have the Crait stuff left.

It’s kind of the best part. Outside the island.

You should watch the Director and the Jedi. It’s awesome

I watched this again, and I feel like Holdo is keeping a secret from Poe, not necessarily everyone. And he's acting like a spy, so I don't know that's she's making a bad decision by keeping him in the dark.

Yeah, I feel like we got too much of Poe's side of the story so we mistrusted her instead of him.

Yes, this was very much intentional.

I have, it is indeed excellent.

aw huh

it's what made that reveal work so well (or, alternately, why it was so frustrating for some). It's not just playing entirely from Poe's POV, but movies have conditioned us to trust characters like Poe and mistrust characters like Holdo. she took Poe's rightful spot as the new resistance leader (it's somewhat subtle, but Poe is expecting to be announced as the new leader), she emasculates him (as does Leia prior, but at least we know and trust leia), she is not conventionally brave in that plucky 'fight against impossible odds because million to one shots always work' star wars way, we assume (narratively) that there has to be internal conflict within the resistance (there HAS to be a traitor, or a stuffed shirt bureaucrat getting in the way). So Holdo is set up to be the villain of Poe (and our) story when in reality she is the hero of the objective story.

See, I knew if I waited long enough someone would come by and say what I wanted to say but better. Thanks!

All that clashes kinda wildly against the fact that they’ve *just* met Finn and Leia is not only telling him their plans she also shows him how Rey is gonna find them. This undermines the spy among us element of it all, for me.

All poe and fin stories are very poorly handled in the film. The worst part of the film for sure.

For me it's not so much the spy aspect but the fact that Leia's told him several times that to be a leader he has to lead, not to act just for the sake of needing to blow something up. He does not do this and it leads to brash decisions by him and makes him look like a fool.

He’s learned that by the end tho. I see what Johnson was doing with him here and it’s a good arc he goes on.

Hopefully it’s built upon in 9 and JJ doesn’t keep him being the dangerous fly boy

Exactly.

I will say (Burt, you know I'm right) that if Holdo had been a man, the backlash/frustration would have been mitigated. But, yes, regardless of all of that, which I thing is just noise and distraction and beside the point, I 100% agree with your analysis (as usual) Stip.

Poe's story line in TLJ is fantastic. I understand why people don't like Fin's story line but I disagree. I'm not gonna fight anyone about it.

Im not fighting anyone. Im saying it was vert poorly handled.