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Speculate responsibly, exactly. And that's all this is. Logical, respectful, and responsible speculation based on the actual evidence presented in the text.
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I can’t find the piece but it’s explained somewhere that they backed away from Palpatine ‘creating’ Anakin for very good reasons but chief among them is he had to be the start of the story so if you give him a father, even one using dark magic, it opens up a whole new can of worms and needs explaining. ‘Who was his father’ to ‘are the Skywalkers a mighty force sensitive ancestry, so where are his ancestors?’ Etc would have been the topic and derailed attention away from this one small boy and what he came to mean and become in the galaxy.
This doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, though. I agree that if Anakin had a father all of those questions come into play. But having Palpatine create him shuts off those questions immediately. So, backing away from that idea/plan because it opens up a whole new can of worms doesn't quite add up to me. I believe you're just explaining something that you read at one point, so I'm not criticizing you, just the logic behind that person's explanation.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Tue April 17, 2018 10:34 pm
what on earth am I talking about
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durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
I can’t find the piece but it’s explained somewhere that they backed away from Palpatine ‘creating’ Anakin for very good reasons but chief among them is he had to be the start of the story so if you give him a father, even one using dark magic, it opens up a whole new can of worms and needs explaining. ‘Who was his father’ to ‘are the Skywalkers a mighty force sensitive ancestry, so where are his ancestors?’ Etc would have been the topic and derailed attention away from this one small boy and what he came to mean and become in the galaxy.
This doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, though. I agree that if Anakin had a father all of those questions come into play. But having Palpatine create him shuts off those questions immediately. So, backing away from that idea/plan because it opens up a whole new can of worms doesn't quite add up to me. I believe you're just explaining something that you read at one point, so I'm not criticizing you, just the logic behind that person's explanation.
But you’re missing the key point. If they taint the waters in the film by saying Anakin is actually a product of Palpatine, that sends all the threads and Anakins arc spinning off in a whole new tainted direction. Therefore Anakin is dark to begin with and it undoes his redemption and Luke and Leia a product of darkness so no good can ever come of them. It destroys the entire point of it all.
I can’t find the piece but it’s explained somewhere that they backed away from Palpatine ‘creating’ Anakin for very good reasons but chief among them is he had to be the start of the story so if you give him a father, even one using dark magic, it opens up a whole new can of worms and needs explaining. ‘Who was his father’ to ‘are the Skywalkers a mighty force sensitive ancestry, so where are his ancestors?’ Etc would have been the topic and derailed attention away from this one small boy and what he came to mean and become in the galaxy.
This doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, though. I agree that if Anakin had a father all of those questions come into play. But having Palpatine create him shuts off those questions immediately. So, backing away from that idea/plan because it opens up a whole new can of worms doesn't quite add up to me. I believe you're just explaining something that you read at one point, so I'm not criticizing you, just the logic behind that person's explanation.
But you’re missing the key point. If they taint the waters in the film by saying Anakin is actually a product of Palpatine, that sends all the threads and Anakins arc spinning off in a whole new tainted direction. Therefore Anakin is dark to begin with and it undoes his redemption and Luke and Leia a product of darkness so no good can ever come of them. It destroys the entire point of it all.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Tue April 17, 2018 10:49 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35474
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
I can’t find the piece but it’s explained somewhere that they backed away from Palpatine ‘creating’ Anakin for very good reasons but chief among them is he had to be the start of the story so if you give him a father, even one using dark magic, it opens up a whole new can of worms and needs explaining. ‘Who was his father’ to ‘are the Skywalkers a mighty force sensitive ancestry, so where are his ancestors?’ Etc would have been the topic and derailed attention away from this one small boy and what he came to mean and become in the galaxy.
This doesn't really make a ton of sense to me, though. I agree that if Anakin had a father all of those questions come into play. But having Palpatine create him shuts off those questions immediately. So, backing away from that idea/plan because it opens up a whole new can of worms doesn't quite add up to me. I believe you're just explaining something that you read at one point, so I'm not criticizing you, just the logic behind that person's explanation.
But you’re missing the key point. If they taint the waters in the film by saying Anakin is actually a product of Palpatine, that sends all the threads and Anakins arc spinning off in a whole new tainted direction. Therefore Anakin is dark to begin with and it undoes his redemption and Luke and Leia a product of darkness so no good can ever come of them. It destroys the entire point of it all.
Makes sense to me why they didn’t go there.
What? That doesn't make any sense at all.
If Melania and Barron trump suddenly went all over the world doing good and fighting against their fathers oppression, would you believe them or their story?
No. None of us would.
Because their father is the son of an even worse slumlord scumbag who was worse than him. And Donald is evil incarnate.
It destroys Anakins redemption as Vader and taints luke and leias story if in the very first instance, Anakin was created by and for the dark through Palpatine.
This is t hard to grasp and I get you love the idea Palpatine created him but it upends everything if you allow it to be true. Gladly it isn’t.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Tue April 17, 2018 10:54 pm
NYUCK NYUCK NYUCK
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Wouldn't that make his eventual turn to the light even more dramatic and significant?
And wouldn't the idea of Luke and Leia becoming beacons of light for the rebellion further the idea that one is not where one came from? And that one has agency over one's own life? Also, Ben was born from "good" and became Kylo Ren. I don't think it's as clear-cut as you're making it.
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Wouldn't that make his eventual turn to the light even more dramatic and significant?
And wouldn't the idea of Luke and Leia becoming beacons of light for the rebellion further the idea that one is not where one came from? And that one has agency over one's own life? Also, Ben was born from "good" and became Kylo Ren. I don't think it's as clear-cut as you're making it.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Tue April 17, 2018 10:59 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35474
durdencommatyler wrote:
Yours is completely incoherent and flawed logic, dime. It doesn't make any sense at all. At all.
There may be valid reasons to argue against the theory but what you've presented here ain't it, buddy.
K Palpatine didn’t create Anakin through the force or otherwise. You’re theories are cool but they aren’t canon no matter how much you try join dots, it doesn’t make them fact in canon. They aren’t.
You’ve just out fanboid me on RM and a number of really questionable Star Wars YouTube channels. Well played.
Post subject: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Posted: Tue April 17, 2018 11:00 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35474
theplatypus wrote:
Wouldn't that make his eventual turn to the light even more dramatic and significant?
And wouldn't the idea of Luke and Leia becoming beacons of light for the rebellion further the idea that one is not where one came from? And that one has agency over one's own life? Also, Ben was born from "good" and became Kylo Ren. I don't think it's as clear-cut as you're making it.
We haven’t seen the end of Ben/kylos story yet. Hold your horses.
Yours is completely incoherent and flawed logic, dime. It doesn't make any sense at all. At all.
There may be valid reasons to argue against the theory but what you've presented here ain't it, buddy.
K Palpatine didn’t create Anakin through the force or otherwise. You’re theories are cool but they aren’t canon no matter how much you try join dots, it doesn’t make them fact in canon. They aren’t.
You’ve just out fanboid me on RM and a number of really questionable Star Wars YouTube channels. Well played.
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