Wed September 02, 2020 3:50 pm
Wed September 02, 2020 3:54 pm
dimejinky99 wrote:I only read the bullet points of treverows script and it was all trash but the one cool thing was Finn inspiring stormtroopers and leading a stormtrooper rebellion against the first order.
It could have been so easy to work that into what we got.
Wed September 02, 2020 4:13 pm
Strat wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
We all now JJ had a lot to do in little time. I wouldn’t even blame JJ either. Just the constraints of Time to develop a story for that character.
John needs to get in line with all the many other things in TROS that werent given enough time and development though, I reckon.
I think his complaints kind of help fill in the blanks for me and my issues with the sequel trilogy, or at least, the Rise of Skywalker. I do blame disney and JJ for the rushed development, storytelling, and seemingly heel turn in overall story arch. I think a defected stormtrooper is a really good story to tell and its super unfortunate that Finn ended up being just kind of there by the end of it.
Wed September 02, 2020 4:24 pm
Wed September 02, 2020 4:33 pm
dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
Wed September 02, 2020 4:34 pm
B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
Wed September 02, 2020 4:45 pm
B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
Wed September 02, 2020 5:17 pm
Monkey_Driven wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
More compelling than Boba Fett?!
Wed September 02, 2020 5:19 pm
B wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
More compelling than Boba Fett?!
Bratty clone that dies embarrassingly at the hands of a blind man?
Wed September 02, 2020 5:20 pm
Monkey_Driven wrote:B wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
More compelling than Boba Fett?!
Bratty clone that dies embarrassingly at the hands of a blind man?
But he had a mysterious helmet and armor!
Wed September 02, 2020 5:33 pm
B wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:B wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
More compelling than Boba Fett?!
Bratty clone that dies embarrassingly at the hands of a blind man?
But he had a mysterious helmet and armor!
So did Finn.
Wed September 02, 2020 5:47 pm
Strat wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
JJ is good at grand ideas but I dont think his strong suit is really storytelling and character development.
Wed September 02, 2020 7:18 pm
Monkey_Driven wrote:I've never understood the fascination with Boba Fett...
Wed September 02, 2020 7:31 pm
B wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:I've never understood the fascination with Boba Fett...
I love Boba Fett, but his character isn't the foundation for stories of nature vs. nurture, societal inequalities, the morality of war, government, and killing, or individual courage like Finn.
Wed September 02, 2020 7:43 pm
durdencommatyler wrote:B wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:I've never understood the fascination with Boba Fett...
I love Boba Fett, but his character isn't the foundation for stories of nature vs. nurture, societal inequalities, the morality of war, government, and killing, or individual courage like Finn.
There is some morality/ethics of war, government, and killing in Fett's story.
Wed September 02, 2020 7:50 pm
B wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:B wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:I've never understood the fascination with Boba Fett...
I love Boba Fett, but his character isn't the foundation for stories of nature vs. nurture, societal inequalities, the morality of war, government, and killing, or individual courage like Finn.
There is some morality/ethics of war, government, and killing in Fett's story.
Maybe, but you could change him out for any human being and tell the same story.
Thu September 03, 2020 8:39 am
durdencommatyler wrote:Strat wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
JJ is good at grand ideas but I dont think his strong suit is really storytelling and character development.
It's interesting that Boyega specifically calls out Disney and defends JJ, saying that it's not on him. To me that suggests -- and I realize here I'm kinda doing that thing I hate that click-bait articles do by assuming something someone didn't actually say by reading between the lines -- that he's far more frustrated with what Rian did with Finn that what JJ did in TROS. I'm not putting words in Boyega's mouth. I'm not saying that's what he's saying or that he want to imply that. Only that it's strange to me that so many are reading that article and immediately blaming JJ.
I think he has a lot of valid points in that article. Dime has a point in that Finn is a supporting character. But that doesn't mean the character can't have more nuance. There's a lot to unpack in what he's thinking/saying (and what it seems from the article he's feeling). We can blame JJ (or even Rian) all we want but I still think it's interesting that Boyega doesn't. His issues seem to rest on Disney's shoulders. Disney and specifically the marketing of Finn.
Thu September 03, 2020 12:54 pm
durdencommatyler wrote:Strat wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:For all that he might be right, the point he’s missed is Finn is a supplementary character. Not the main one. They could have given Finn more to do other than shouting ‘Rey’ every few scenes but that’s not really down to Disney. He was given a whole side story in TLJ after all.
He's also the most compelling stories of any character that Star Wars has ever created, and JJ completely failed to capitalize on that despite having created the character in the first place.
JJ is good at grand ideas but I dont think his strong suit is really storytelling and character development.
It's interesting that Boyega specifically calls out Disney and defends JJ, saying that it's not on him. To me that suggests -- and I realize here I'm kinda doing that thing I hate that click-bait articles do by assuming something someone didn't actually say by reading between the lines -- that he's far more frustrated with what Rian did with Finn that what JJ did in TROS. I'm not putting words in Boyega's mouth. I'm not saying that's what he's saying or that he want to imply that. Only that it's strange to me that so many are reading that article and immediately blaming JJ.
I think he has a lot of valid points in that article. Dime has a point in that Finn is a supporting character. But that doesn't mean the character can't have more nuance. There's a lot to unpack in what he's thinking/saying (and what it seems from the article he's feeling). We can blame JJ (or even Rian) all we want but I still think it's interesting that Boyega doesn't. His issues seem to rest on Disney's shoulders. Disney and specifically the marketing of Finn.
Thu September 03, 2020 2:10 pm
Thu September 03, 2020 2:23 pm