Sun April 30, 2017 8:40 pm
TremorJam wrote:matt reeder wrote:TremorJam wrote:I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show. 2003 wasn't really that bad. Early PJ is in a league of it's own. My favorite show is probably Melbourne '98, followed by Melbourne '95, Atlanta '94. As far as the Tours go, the era between 2008-2010 I have the most difficulty with. I do think that things leveled off once they got past PJ20.
'90's- I'm lumping everything here between '92-'98. The excitement, energy and controversy helped cement the legendary status for these shows.
'00-Take your pick
'05-Take your pick
'06-Take your pick
'03-This is when the experimentation really got going.
'14-Lots of great shows this year. US, Europe, Australia in this order.
'13-There are some great shows from this tour. The last 5 NW shows are almost perfect for this era.
'12-The end of the 20/BS era and Europe got some great shows
'15-SA had some decent shows
'16-Still trying to get into this Tour, but there were some really good performances. The Canadian shows are my favorite so far.
'11-PJ20!! the Toronto shows and Buenos Aires were pretty good. I'm sure there's more, but I'm good.
'10-Meh, but there were some surprises. Hyde Park and a mix is all I really want.
'09-I can't stand the Spectrum shows that get a lot of love. Give me ridleybradouts' Aussie mix instead
'08-I only have 1 show from this Tour and never listen to it.
Personally, I think the band has evolved quite nicely. Lately, I've mainly been catching up with more recent shows after taking a break for a bit. I've been mixing it up with shows from the 2000 and 2005 Tours. Ed's voice has obviously changed, but I think he's adjusted to it better recently, than he did initially.
Everybody likes 2003, but few here would consider it their best tour. My first two shows were in 2003 and the first of the two was an all-time great PJ show (Champaign). There are a lot of great shows from that tour. It just wasn't the best.
I think everybody here would say that 1998 or 2000 were the best tours, with some arguing strongly for 1994. It depends on what your favorite albums are, or who your favorite drummer was. The weird thing: many of us consider March 1998 to be the band's absolute live peak, and yet Jack Irons himself seems to be embarrassed with his performances on this tour. I don't hear it at all.
I think they're all good through 2006; since then the only tour I've listened to that's consistently good is 2014. Every tour has at least a few good or even great shows, and if you catch them on one of these nights they are as good as they're ever going to be. A lot of people didn't like 2013, for example, but I caught them on one of their good nights and it was fantastic. Everybody who went to Pemberton last year seems to have loved it, and the bootleg is fantastic. But the mediocre and even bad nights are becoming more and more common and it makes listening to bootlegs more of a chore sometimes than it ever used to be.
Which show did you catch in 2013? I was at Charlottesville, and aside from noticing immediately that Ed didn't have the capacity he once did, I thought it was an excellent show. Out of the 25 shows from that tour, there's around 17 that I enjoy. 2016 is the hardest for me, but I'm sure the Raleigh cancellation factors into that, to a degree. Pemberton, Quebec City, Ottawa and Toronto pleasantly surprised me, though.
The '90's shows I put in their own level. Every tour was different, but they were one of the best bands around back then. I particularly love the '94 and '95 shows. '98 would probably be next followed by 1992, 1996, 1993. 2014 is probably my favorite of the most recent years, particularly the US leg. Taking a break from their music was probably the best thing I could've done because it has given me a fresh and new perspective. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else as far as the shows are concerned, because everyone has their own thoughts about it. I agree with about mostly everything you said, though.
Mon May 01, 2017 4:40 pm
CopperTom wrote:1994 hands down.
Late March through April is the best month of this band. July 2003 is runner up.
Mon May 01, 2017 6:32 pm
Mon May 01, 2017 7:01 pm
Monkey_Driven wrote:I'm not really a fan of the mid-90s tours. I get why they are so well regarded, but the small catalog, Ed's voice, and emotional intensity don't hold up to repeated listens.
Tue May 02, 2017 5:20 am
TremorJam wrote:matt reeder wrote:TremorJam wrote:I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show. 2003 wasn't really that bad. Early PJ is in a league of it's own. My favorite show is probably Melbourne '98, followed by Melbourne '95, Atlanta '94. As far as the Tours go, the era between 2008-2010 I have the most difficulty with. I do think that things leveled off once they got past PJ20.
'90's- I'm lumping everything here between '92-'98. The excitement, energy and controversy helped cement the legendary status for these shows.
'00-Take your pick
'05-Take your pick
'06-Take your pick
'03-This is when the experimentation really got going.
'14-Lots of great shows this year. US, Europe, Australia in this order.
'13-There are some great shows from this tour. The last 5 NW shows are almost perfect for this era.
'12-The end of the 20/BS era and Europe got some great shows
'15-SA had some decent shows
'16-Still trying to get into this Tour, but there were some really good performances. The Canadian shows are my favorite so far.
'11-PJ20!! the Toronto shows and Buenos Aires were pretty good. I'm sure there's more, but I'm good.
'10-Meh, but there were some surprises. Hyde Park and a mix is all I really want.
'09-I can't stand the Spectrum shows that get a lot of love. Give me ridleybradouts' Aussie mix instead
'08-I only have 1 show from this Tour and never listen to it.
Personally, I think the band has evolved quite nicely. Lately, I've mainly been catching up with more recent shows after taking a break for a bit. I've been mixing it up with shows from the 2000 and 2005 Tours. Ed's voice has obviously changed, but I think he's adjusted to it better recently, than he did initially.
Everybody likes 2003, but few here would consider it their best tour. My first two shows were in 2003 and the first of the two was an all-time great PJ show (Champaign). There are a lot of great shows from that tour. It just wasn't the best.
I think everybody here would say that 1998 or 2000 were the best tours, with some arguing strongly for 1994. It depends on what your favorite albums are, or who your favorite drummer was. The weird thing: many of us consider March 1998 to be the band's absolute live peak, and yet Jack Irons himself seems to be embarrassed with his performances on this tour. I don't hear it at all.
I think they're all good through 2006; since then the only tour I've listened to that's consistently good is 2014. Every tour has at least a few good or even great shows, and if you catch them on one of these nights they are as good as they're ever going to be. A lot of people didn't like 2013, for example, but I caught them on one of their good nights and it was fantastic. Everybody who went to Pemberton last year seems to have loved it, and the bootleg is fantastic. But the mediocre and even bad nights are becoming more and more common and it makes listening to bootlegs more of a chore sometimes than it ever used to be.
Which show did you catch in 2013? I was at Charlottesville, and aside from noticing immediately that Ed didn't have the capacity he once did, I thought it was an excellent show. Out of the 25 shows from that tour, there's around 17 that I enjoy. 2016 is the hardest for me, but I'm sure the Raleigh cancellation factors into that, to a degree. Pemberton, Quebec City, Ottawa and Toronto pleasantly surprised me, though.
The '90's shows I put in their own level. Every tour was different, but they were one of the best bands around back then. I particularly love the '94 and '95 shows. '98 would probably be next followed by 1992, 1996, 1993. 2014 is probably my favorite of the most recent years, particularly the US leg. Taking a break from their music was probably the best thing I could've done because it has given me a fresh and new perspective. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else as far as the shows are concerned, because everyone has their own thoughts about it.
Tue May 02, 2017 5:22 pm
matt reeder wrote:TremorJam wrote:matt reeder wrote:TremorJam wrote:I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show. 2003 wasn't really that bad. Early PJ is in a league of it's own. My favorite show is probably Melbourne '98, followed by Melbourne '95, Atlanta '94. As far as the Tours go, the era between 2008-2010 I have the most difficulty with. I do think that things leveled off once they got past PJ20.
'90's- I'm lumping everything here between '92-'98. The excitement, energy and controversy helped cement the legendary status for these shows.
'00-Take your pick
'05-Take your pick
'06-Take your pick
'03-This is when the experimentation really got going.
'14-Lots of great shows this year. US, Europe, Australia in this order.
'13-There are some great shows from this tour. The last 5 NW shows are almost perfect for this era.
'12-The end of the 20/BS era and Europe got some great shows
'15-SA had some decent shows
'16-Still trying to get into this Tour, but there were some really good performances. The Canadian shows are my favorite so far.
'11-PJ20!! the Toronto shows and Buenos Aires were pretty good. I'm sure there's more, but I'm good.
'10-Meh, but there were some surprises. Hyde Park and a mix is all I really want.
'09-I can't stand the Spectrum shows that get a lot of love. Give me ridleybradouts' Aussie mix instead
'08-I only have 1 show from this Tour and never listen to it.
Personally, I think the band has evolved quite nicely. Lately, I've mainly been catching up with more recent shows after taking a break for a bit. I've been mixing it up with shows from the 2000 and 2005 Tours. Ed's voice has obviously changed, but I think he's adjusted to it better recently, than he did initially.
Everybody likes 2003, but few here would consider it their best tour. My first two shows were in 2003 and the first of the two was an all-time great PJ show (Champaign). There are a lot of great shows from that tour. It just wasn't the best.
I think everybody here would say that 1998 or 2000 were the best tours, with some arguing strongly for 1994. It depends on what your favorite albums are, or who your favorite drummer was. The weird thing: many of us consider March 1998 to be the band's absolute live peak, and yet Jack Irons himself seems to be embarrassed with his performances on this tour. I don't hear it at all.
I think they're all good through 2006; since then the only tour I've listened to that's consistently good is 2014. Every tour has at least a few good or even great shows, and if you catch them on one of these nights they are as good as they're ever going to be. A lot of people didn't like 2013, for example, but I caught them on one of their good nights and it was fantastic. Everybody who went to Pemberton last year seems to have loved it, and the bootleg is fantastic. But the mediocre and even bad nights are becoming more and more common and it makes listening to bootlegs more of a chore sometimes than it ever used to be.
Which show did you catch in 2013? I was at Charlottesville, and aside from noticing immediately that Ed didn't have the capacity he once did, I thought it was an excellent show. Out of the 25 shows from that tour, there's around 17 that I enjoy. 2016 is the hardest for me, but I'm sure the Raleigh cancellation factors into that, to a degree. Pemberton, Quebec City, Ottawa and Toronto pleasantly surprised me, though.
The '90's shows I put in their own level. Every tour was different, but they were one of the best bands around back then. I particularly love the '94 and '95 shows. '98 would probably be next followed by 1992, 1996, 1993. 2014 is probably my favorite of the most recent years, particularly the US leg. Taking a break from their music was probably the best thing I could've done because it has given me a fresh and new perspective. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else as far as the shows are concerned, because everyone has their own thoughts about it.
I was at the Portland show. Ed blew out his voice about halfway through the show but it was fun as hell. "Deep" absolutely slayed, as good as I've ever heard them play it.
Speaking of great tours, I'm also partial to February-March 1995. I wish we had better recordings, though. Most of the shows, particularly in Australia, have crummy generated cassette recordings.
Sat May 13, 2017 1:17 pm
TremorJam wrote:I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show.
Sun May 14, 2017 2:27 am
Bi_3 wrote:TremorJam wrote:I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show.
In my admittedly shitty opinion, that was not a great show. In my bottom 5. But if you like Riot Act, I could see how you would have enjoyed it.
Mon May 15, 2017 1:59 pm
Leatherhead wrote:Bi_3 wrote:TremorJam wrote:I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show.
In my admittedly shitty opinion, that was not a great show. In my bottom 5. But if you like Riot Act, I could see how you would have enjoyed it.
You mean you DON'T??????
Tue May 16, 2017 10:09 am
Wed May 17, 2017 2:44 pm
Bi_3 wrote:I'm not sure what PJ has against DC. Vedder proposed here for god sakes, gives us a show next go around (assuming there is a next go around)
Sat May 20, 2017 6:09 am