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TremorJam wrote:
matt reeder wrote:
TremorJam wrote:
I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show. 2003 wasn't really that bad. Early PJ is in a league of it's own. My favorite show is probably Melbourne '98, followed by Melbourne '95, Atlanta '94. As far as the Tours go, the era between 2008-2010 I have the most difficulty with. I do think that things leveled off once they got past PJ20.
'90's- I'm lumping everything here between '92-'98. The excitement, energy and controversy helped cement the legendary status for these shows.
'00-Take your pick '05-Take your pick '06-Take your pick '03-This is when the experimentation really got going. '14-Lots of great shows this year. US, Europe, Australia in this order. '13-There are some great shows from this tour. The last 5 NW shows are almost perfect for this era. '12-The end of the 20/BS era and Europe got some great shows '15-SA had some decent shows '16-Still trying to get into this Tour, but there were some really good performances. The Canadian shows are my favorite so far. '11-PJ20!! the Toronto shows and Buenos Aires were pretty good. I'm sure there's more, but I'm good. '10-Meh, but there were some surprises. Hyde Park and a mix is all I really want. '09-I can't stand the Spectrum shows that get a lot of love. Give me ridleybradouts' Aussie mix instead '08-I only have 1 show from this Tour and never listen to it.
Personally, I think the band has evolved quite nicely. Lately, I've mainly been catching up with more recent shows after taking a break for a bit. I've been mixing it up with shows from the 2000 and 2005 Tours. Ed's voice has obviously changed, but I think he's adjusted to it better recently, than he did initially.
Everybody likes 2003, but few here would consider it their best tour. My first two shows were in 2003 and the first of the two was an all-time great PJ show (Champaign). There are a lot of great shows from that tour. It just wasn't the best.
I think everybody here would say that 1998 or 2000 were the best tours, with some arguing strongly for 1994. It depends on what your favorite albums are, or who your favorite drummer was. The weird thing: many of us consider March 1998 to be the band's absolute live peak, and yet Jack Irons himself seems to be embarrassed with his performances on this tour. I don't hear it at all.
I think they're all good through 2006; since then the only tour I've listened to that's consistently good is 2014. Every tour has at least a few good or even great shows, and if you catch them on one of these nights they are as good as they're ever going to be. A lot of people didn't like 2013, for example, but I caught them on one of their good nights and it was fantastic. Everybody who went to Pemberton last year seems to have loved it, and the bootleg is fantastic. But the mediocre and even bad nights are becoming more and more common and it makes listening to bootlegs more of a chore sometimes than it ever used to be.
Which show did you catch in 2013? I was at Charlottesville, and aside from noticing immediately that Ed didn't have the capacity he once did, I thought it was an excellent show. Out of the 25 shows from that tour, there's around 17 that I enjoy. 2016 is the hardest for me, but I'm sure the Raleigh cancellation factors into that, to a degree. Pemberton, Quebec City, Ottawa and Toronto pleasantly surprised me, though.
The '90's shows I put in their own level. Every tour was different, but they were one of the best bands around back then. I particularly love the '94 and '95 shows. '98 would probably be next followed by 1992, 1996, 1993. 2014 is probably my favorite of the most recent years, particularly the US leg. Taking a break from their music was probably the best thing I could've done because it has given me a fresh and new perspective. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else as far as the shows are concerned, because everyone has their own thoughts about it. I agree with about mostly everything you said, though.
1994 hands down. Late March through April is the best month of this band. July 2003 is runner up.
April 1994 really throws this whole conversation off. That might be the best rock and roll by any band, ever. If I had a time machine....
I enjoyed my 1998 and 2000 shows and I've loved listening to the bootlegs for YEARS, but for personal experience, 2003 is where I would put Pearl Jam's peak. It felt like they had complete command and confidence. They could do whatever they wanted and never lose the momentum or crowd. I loved the covers in 2003 as well (Why Can't I Touch It, Fortunate Son, Know Your Rights, etc.) Arc was incredible.
The feeling they gave me on 9/5/00 (right up there with the best of 2000), is the feeling I got at every single show I saw in 2003.
I'm not really a fan of the mid-90s tours. I get why they are so well regarded, but the small catalog, Ed's voice, and emotional intensity don't hold up to repeated listens.
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Monkey_Driven wrote:
I'm not really a fan of the mid-90s tours. I get why they are so well regarded, but the small catalog, Ed's voice, and emotional intensity don't hold up to repeated listens.
These shows have become "special occasion" listening for me nowadays. Atlanta 94 was the first proper show I had, so it will always be a sentimental favorite. I listened to the Soldier Field show a couple of months ago and it didn't hit me in the same spot that it used to. Honestly, the 2014 shows and the better ones from 2013 are what I've listened to the most of recently. I'll throw in a 2005, 2000, 2006 or 2003 here and there, but the shows that were on from LB Tour have become my go to. I'm slowly warming up more to the better 2016 shows..
I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show. 2003 wasn't really that bad. Early PJ is in a league of it's own. My favorite show is probably Melbourne '98, followed by Melbourne '95, Atlanta '94. As far as the Tours go, the era between 2008-2010 I have the most difficulty with. I do think that things leveled off once they got past PJ20.
'90's- I'm lumping everything here between '92-'98. The excitement, energy and controversy helped cement the legendary status for these shows.
'00-Take your pick '05-Take your pick '06-Take your pick '03-This is when the experimentation really got going. '14-Lots of great shows this year. US, Europe, Australia in this order. '13-There are some great shows from this tour. The last 5 NW shows are almost perfect for this era. '12-The end of the 20/BS era and Europe got some great shows '15-SA had some decent shows '16-Still trying to get into this Tour, but there were some really good performances. The Canadian shows are my favorite so far. '11-PJ20!! the Toronto shows and Buenos Aires were pretty good. I'm sure there's more, but I'm good. '10-Meh, but there were some surprises. Hyde Park and a mix is all I really want. '09-I can't stand the Spectrum shows that get a lot of love. Give me ridleybradouts' Aussie mix instead '08-I only have 1 show from this Tour and never listen to it.
Personally, I think the band has evolved quite nicely. Lately, I've mainly been catching up with more recent shows after taking a break for a bit. I've been mixing it up with shows from the 2000 and 2005 Tours. Ed's voice has obviously changed, but I think he's adjusted to it better recently, than he did initially.
Everybody likes 2003, but few here would consider it their best tour. My first two shows were in 2003 and the first of the two was an all-time great PJ show (Champaign). There are a lot of great shows from that tour. It just wasn't the best.
I think everybody here would say that 1998 or 2000 were the best tours, with some arguing strongly for 1994. It depends on what your favorite albums are, or who your favorite drummer was. The weird thing: many of us consider March 1998 to be the band's absolute live peak, and yet Jack Irons himself seems to be embarrassed with his performances on this tour. I don't hear it at all.
I think they're all good through 2006; since then the only tour I've listened to that's consistently good is 2014. Every tour has at least a few good or even great shows, and if you catch them on one of these nights they are as good as they're ever going to be. A lot of people didn't like 2013, for example, but I caught them on one of their good nights and it was fantastic. Everybody who went to Pemberton last year seems to have loved it, and the bootleg is fantastic. But the mediocre and even bad nights are becoming more and more common and it makes listening to bootlegs more of a chore sometimes than it ever used to be.
Which show did you catch in 2013? I was at Charlottesville, and aside from noticing immediately that Ed didn't have the capacity he once did, I thought it was an excellent show. Out of the 25 shows from that tour, there's around 17 that I enjoy. 2016 is the hardest for me, but I'm sure the Raleigh cancellation factors into that, to a degree. Pemberton, Quebec City, Ottawa and Toronto pleasantly surprised me, though.
The '90's shows I put in their own level. Every tour was different, but they were one of the best bands around back then. I particularly love the '94 and '95 shows. '98 would probably be next followed by 1992, 1996, 1993. 2014 is probably my favorite of the most recent years, particularly the US leg. Taking a break from their music was probably the best thing I could've done because it has given me a fresh and new perspective. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else as far as the shows are concerned, because everyone has their own thoughts about it.
I was at the Portland show. Ed blew out his voice about halfway through the show but it was fun as hell. "Deep" absolutely slayed, as good as I've ever heard them play it.
Speaking of great tours, I'm also partial to February-March 1995. I wish we had better recordings, though. Most of the shows, particularly in Australia, have crummy generated cassette recordings.
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matt reeder wrote:
TremorJam wrote:
matt reeder wrote:
TremorJam wrote:
I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show. 2003 wasn't really that bad. Early PJ is in a league of it's own. My favorite show is probably Melbourne '98, followed by Melbourne '95, Atlanta '94. As far as the Tours go, the era between 2008-2010 I have the most difficulty with. I do think that things leveled off once they got past PJ20.
'90's- I'm lumping everything here between '92-'98. The excitement, energy and controversy helped cement the legendary status for these shows.
'00-Take your pick '05-Take your pick '06-Take your pick '03-This is when the experimentation really got going. '14-Lots of great shows this year. US, Europe, Australia in this order. '13-There are some great shows from this tour. The last 5 NW shows are almost perfect for this era. '12-The end of the 20/BS era and Europe got some great shows '15-SA had some decent shows '16-Still trying to get into this Tour, but there were some really good performances. The Canadian shows are my favorite so far. '11-PJ20!! the Toronto shows and Buenos Aires were pretty good. I'm sure there's more, but I'm good. '10-Meh, but there were some surprises. Hyde Park and a mix is all I really want. '09-I can't stand the Spectrum shows that get a lot of love. Give me ridleybradouts' Aussie mix instead '08-I only have 1 show from this Tour and never listen to it.
Personally, I think the band has evolved quite nicely. Lately, I've mainly been catching up with more recent shows after taking a break for a bit. I've been mixing it up with shows from the 2000 and 2005 Tours. Ed's voice has obviously changed, but I think he's adjusted to it better recently, than he did initially.
Everybody likes 2003, but few here would consider it their best tour. My first two shows were in 2003 and the first of the two was an all-time great PJ show (Champaign). There are a lot of great shows from that tour. It just wasn't the best.
I think everybody here would say that 1998 or 2000 were the best tours, with some arguing strongly for 1994. It depends on what your favorite albums are, or who your favorite drummer was. The weird thing: many of us consider March 1998 to be the band's absolute live peak, and yet Jack Irons himself seems to be embarrassed with his performances on this tour. I don't hear it at all.
I think they're all good through 2006; since then the only tour I've listened to that's consistently good is 2014. Every tour has at least a few good or even great shows, and if you catch them on one of these nights they are as good as they're ever going to be. A lot of people didn't like 2013, for example, but I caught them on one of their good nights and it was fantastic. Everybody who went to Pemberton last year seems to have loved it, and the bootleg is fantastic. But the mediocre and even bad nights are becoming more and more common and it makes listening to bootlegs more of a chore sometimes than it ever used to be.
Which show did you catch in 2013? I was at Charlottesville, and aside from noticing immediately that Ed didn't have the capacity he once did, I thought it was an excellent show. Out of the 25 shows from that tour, there's around 17 that I enjoy. 2016 is the hardest for me, but I'm sure the Raleigh cancellation factors into that, to a degree. Pemberton, Quebec City, Ottawa and Toronto pleasantly surprised me, though.
The '90's shows I put in their own level. Every tour was different, but they were one of the best bands around back then. I particularly love the '94 and '95 shows. '98 would probably be next followed by 1992, 1996, 1993. 2014 is probably my favorite of the most recent years, particularly the US leg. Taking a break from their music was probably the best thing I could've done because it has given me a fresh and new perspective. I'm not trying to speak for anyone else as far as the shows are concerned, because everyone has their own thoughts about it.
I was at the Portland show. Ed blew out his voice about halfway through the show but it was fun as hell. "Deep" absolutely slayed, as good as I've ever heard them play it.
Speaking of great tours, I'm also partial to February-March 1995. I wish we had better recordings, though. Most of the shows, particularly in Australia, have crummy generated cassette recordings.
Portland was a damn good show. It was obvious that they were happy to be back in the NW after the last 2 shows from California. I really hope we start getting Vault releases from 95-96. A couple of those Japanese shows from '95 would be choice!
I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show.
In my admittedly shitty opinion, that was not a great show. In my bottom 5. But if you like Riot Act, I could see how you would have enjoyed it.
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I loved Riot Act. Living in the D.C. area at the time made that album resonate more with me, I think. Bristow (D.C.) 2003 is was an excellent show.
In my admittedly shitty opinion, that was not a great show. In my bottom 5. But if you like Riot Act, I could see how you would have enjoyed it.
You mean you DON'T??????
I love Riot Act and I was at that "DC" show in 2003. I thought it was a little lackluster and definitely not one of the highlights from that tour. A few weeks later I went to Hershey and I thought that was a much better show.
I'm not sure what PJ has against DC. Vedder proposed here for god sakes, gives us a show next go around (assuming there is a next go around)
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Bi_3 wrote:
I'm not sure what PJ has against DC. Vedder proposed here for god sakes, gives us a show next go around (assuming there is a next go around)
That's what I loved so much about the Bristow show. Ed was full of vinegar towards the traffic and making fun of himself on the screens. He even talked shit on the venue, saying they'd much rather be at Merriweather Post in Columbia. "Why Go" made its' return, and that was really the only song that was a little off.
I went with a group of friends and we had a blast on the lawn. The "Why Can't I Touch It?" improv derailed during "Daughter", but came back for "Wishlist". We even got an extra song during the encore and the SIFL tag before it became "Don't runaway" x's infinity.. He must've been on some watch list because there were police dogs sniffing us out upon entry. I called my buddy and told him to leave the grass, but he managed to sneak a couple of joints in.. Take that police dogs! Good times..
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He must've been on some watch list because there were police dogs sniffing us out upon entry. I called my buddy and told him to leave the grass, but he managed to sneak a couple of joints in.. Take that police dogs! Good times.. 