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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
PostPosted: Wed November 01, 2017 8:19 pm 
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2000 tour was probably the last tour where each show felt like an event and something momentous was taking place. There was a very different and deeply felt and profound atmosphere before and during each show.

The following tours seemed to be the evolution into the party band. No bad thing. Change up is good and prevents it all becoming stale but something special was lost in that transition.


This is weird to me too. From what I've heard the 2003 shows were way more unique than the 2000 shows.

In fact what's standing out to me is how the 2000 shows are so UN unique.

I don't know where the posts are now but I remember some crazy opening runs of songs in the 2003 shows, where the 2000 shows always seemed to start pretty much the exact same way to the point I got sick of Corduroy and Animal completely how they always popped up in the exact same spot.

But man Im switching now to listening to Benaroya 2003 and its SO GOOD


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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mikejasond wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
2000 tour was probably the last tour where each show felt like an event and something momentous was taking place. There was a very different and deeply felt and profound atmosphere before and during each show.

The following tours seemed to be the evolution into the party band. No bad thing. Change up is good and prevents it all becoming stale but something special was lost in that transition.


This is weird to me too. From what I've heard the 2003 shows were way more unique than the 2000 shows.

In fact what's standing out to me is how the 2000 shows are so UN unique.

I don't know where the posts are now but I remember some crazy opening runs of songs in the 2003 shows, where the 2000 shows always seemed to start pretty much the exact same way to the point I got sick of Corduroy and Animal completely how they always popped up in the exact same spot.




But man Im switching now to listening to Benaroya 2003 and its SO GOOD





I’m more talking about being there on the night in person. Did shows in 96, 2000 and 2003 and it’s a marked change.

I’m not really referring to any bootleg cos it’s almist impossible to truly capture the vibe of a gig on a bootleg (and I often wonder do people’s complaints about the mixing and production affect their view ) but it definitely feels like a band at different stages of their career and it being apparent over the times I’ve seen them. Less so the last two tours I’ve seen for BS and LB

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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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So much more warm and beautiful....its haunting.


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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You're a weird guy, ace.

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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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I definitely agree with dime in the sense that those 2000 shows in particular really feel like they can take you on a bit of a journey into a lot of different kinds of places. You have the kind of 'typical' PJ start, with the moody opener followed by a few up-tempo tracks, and then you have the Binaural stuff interspersed with darker, sometimes spacier takes on their older stuff.

I still think that Insignificance/Rearviewmirror combo they used to end sets with was excellent, but I remember something like Chicago '00 (my favorite show I've heard from the band), which ends with Black/Parting Ways. It's hard to see that as a set ending in any other year, that kind of feel. But in the encore by the end, you usually get the feeling they've loosened up and it feels a bit more like a party.

2003 also had this kind of diversity of feeling throughout the course of a show, and those are the years I find myself reaching for more often; maybe that approach has something to do with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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Listened to Tampa from this tour yesterday / today; damn fine show.


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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Listened to Tampa from this tour yesterday / today; damn fine show.


Are you now sold on the brilliance of "Evacuation?"


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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Kevin Davis wrote:
darth_vedder wrote:
Listened to Tampa from this tour yesterday / today; damn fine show.


Are you now sold on the brilliance of "Evacuation?"

Was he not ??


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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Strat wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
darth_vedder wrote:
Listened to Tampa from this tour yesterday / today; damn fine show.


Are you now sold on the brilliance of "Evacuation?"

Was he not ??


Well, I've had a complicated relationship with Evacuation over the years. I used to hate it. Over time, I grew to appreciate it musically, but I've never quite been able to latch onto the song as I have with a whole lotta others from their catalog.

re: Live versions, I only have 6 of them, one being that disaster from DC.

The others are:
Katowice 2, 2000
WPB 2, 2000
Jones Beach 3, 2000
Seattle 2, 2000

I now have Tampa, 2000, and after one proper listen, I'm pretty confident it's the best of the lot above, probably followed by either Katowice or Seattle. At any rate, KD was basically seeing if I'm coming around to the song now that I have a really good live version of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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darth_vedder wrote:
Strat wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
darth_vedder wrote:
Listened to Tampa from this tour yesterday / today; damn fine show.


Are you now sold on the brilliance of "Evacuation?"

Was he not ??


Well, I've had a complicated relationship with Evacuation over the years. I used to hate it. Over time, I grew to appreciate it musically, but I've never quite been able to latch onto the song as I have with a whole lotta others from their catalog.

re: Live versions, I only have 6 of them, one being that disaster from DC.

The others are:
Katowice 2, 2000
WPB 2, 2000
Jones Beach 3, 2000
Seattle 2, 2000

I now have Tampa, 2000, and after one proper listen, I'm pretty confident it's the best of the lot above, probably followed by either Katowice or Seattle. At any rate, KD was basically seeing if I'm coming around to the song now that I have a really good live version of it.


Definitely check out the version from Albuquerque 2000. Ed sounds wonderfully raspy and on the edge, and the band absolutely tears it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk About the 2000 Tour
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Will do.

It's a solid song and I would be thrilled if PJ went down the road of Evacuation and Cropduster again. Both songs I've struggled with (spenno pointed me towards a solid version of Cropduster from his 2011 Canadian tour compilation), but both songs I appreciate. I like how both are "off" musically for PJ. By that, different time signatures and whatnot. I feel the band is pushing themselves a bit beyond their normal scope, and I really like that. I just happen to like a lot of other songs on Binaural and Riot Act better (I'm a sucker for Rival and Help Help).


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darth_vedder wrote:
Will do.

It's a solid song and I would be thrilled if PJ went down the road of Evacuation and Cropduster again. Both songs I've struggled with (spenno pointed me towards a solid version of Cropduster from his 2011 Canadian tour compilation), but both songs I appreciate. I like how both are "off" musically for PJ. By that, different time signatures and whatnot. I feel the band is pushing themselves a bit beyond their normal scope, and I really like that. I just happen to like a lot of other songs on Binaural and Riot Act better (I'm a sucker for Rival and Help Help).


Uh, yeah.


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Monkey_Driven wrote:
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(I'm a sucker for Rival and Help Help)


Uh, yeah.


They really are great, aren't they? It's getting to be that time of year I like some Binaural and Riot Act. Great albums, great tours.


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darth_vedder wrote:
Will do.

It's a solid song and I would be thrilled if PJ went down the road of Evacuation and Cropduster again. Both songs I've struggled with (spenno pointed me towards a solid version of Cropduster from his 2011 Canadian tour compilation), but both songs I appreciate. I like how both are "off" musically for PJ. By that, different time signatures and whatnot. I feel the band is pushing themselves a bit beyond their normal scope, and I really like that. I just happen to like a lot of other songs on Binaural and Riot Act better (I'm a sucker for Rival and Help Help).


Both great examples of MC's angular riffage and hard-shift rhythm. In particular, I think Cropduster is one of the most underrated songs in their catalog. It will be reeeeeeal interesting to see if they allow themselves to try weirdish stuff like this again or will that once-familiar impulse be subsumed by Ed's ongoing embrace of a Springsteen-ish "populist American rock icon" status, i.e., more songs like Sirens, Just Breathe and Future Days.

Eddie Cheddar.


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