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PostPosted: Sat October 20, 2018 8:15 pm 
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Including any shows post-2006 seems like an unnecessary exercise in diplomatic inclusion


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CopperTom wrote:
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Dude there are way better 09 shows than any Philly show

There really isn't, but I don't want to have this argument again. Which one?

Any of them. The Philly shows sucked. But I might be in the minority on that I guess

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Including any shows post-2006 seems like an unnecessary exercise in diplomatic inclusion

Stop.

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
CopperTom wrote:
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Dude there are way better 09 shows than any Philly show

There really isn't, but I don't want to have this argument again. Which one?

Any of them. The Philly shows sucked. But I might be in the minority on that I guess

Overall, 2009 is a rather weak year and it's still the best show of 2009.

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This is why a mini-tournament for every tour might help.

In any case, a number of the Aus/NZ shows from 2009 are very good, I think Christchurch, Auckland and Brisbane are particularly great from memory and easily better than the Philly shows.

Portland and the fourth Universal City (LA) show from the 2009 USA tour are also fantastic, and I also remember also enjoying some of the pre-album release shows.


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CopperTom wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Including any shows post-2006 seems like an unnecessary exercise in diplomatic inclusion

Stop.

he's right


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This is why a mini-tournament for every tour might help.

In any case, a number of the Aus/NZ shows from 2009 are very good, I think Christchurch, Auckland and Brisbane are particularly great from memory and easily better than the Philly shows.

Portland and the fourth Universal City (LA) show from the 2009 USA tour are also fantastic, and I also remember also enjoying some of the pre-album release shows.

Yeah, I remember some good Aussie shows.

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doone wrote:
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This is why a mini-tournament for every tour might help.

In any case, a number of the Aus/NZ shows from 2009 are very good, I think Christchurch, Auckland and Brisbane are particularly great from memory and easily better than the Philly shows.

Portland and the fourth Universal City (LA) show from the 2009 USA tour are also fantastic, and I also remember also enjoying some of the pre-album release shows.

Yeah, I remember some good Aussie shows.

I disagree, but I'll remove Philly anyways.

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Philly 4 ‘09 should be on there despite the RM backlash. There was a show I thought was ‘09 in California where Ben Harper played on Red Mosquito, Chris Cornell was on Hunger Strike, and Jerry Cantrell guested on Alive. That show was great and should be on there. I think it was one of the four Universal City shows.


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Are there any great SA shows? Was there a Lima show that some people really liked?

Was there another great 2010 show? Boston? Harford? Newark?

Is there anything from 2004 that should be included? Asheville? Boston 2?

Anything from 2007?

I'm drawing on blank on the 96 shows. I'm guessing there's another great one.

4 shows need to be cut from the 32 Classic List - I assume at least 1 from 2013 and 2014. Input?

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liebzz wrote:
Philly 4 ‘09 should be on there despite the RM backlash. There was a show I thought was ‘09 in California where Ben Harper played on Red Mosquito, Chris Cornell was on Hunger Strike, and Jerry Cantrell guested on Alive. That show was great and should be on there. I think it was one of the four Universal City shows.


The way this is going to work is everyone (as long as there's less than 32 people interested) will be able to include a user-nominated pick too.

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Also Mansfield 3 ‘03, Gorge 2 ‘06, Benaroya Hall, Unplugged, Seattle 2 ‘18, Wrigley 2 ‘16. Is SF ‘93 on there? Randall’s Island 2 ‘96? Red Rocks 2 ‘95.


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Also Mansfield 3 ‘03, Gorge 2 ‘06, Benaroya Hall, Unplugged, Seattle 2 ‘18, Wrigley 2 ‘16. Is SF ‘93 on there? Randall’s Island 2 ‘96? Red Rocks 2 ‘95.


I was going to avoid the acoustic shows - Mansfield, Benaroya and Unplugged. They're unique, but it's not really PJ. Which Gorge 06 show was the better show - 1 or 2? I'm not going to include any ballpark show from 2018 as there is little to no consensus as which one is best. Most people feel Fenway 2 was the best show in 2016. I considered both Randall's Island and Red Rocks, but I really couldn't remember what night was better.

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CopperTom wrote:
I considered both Randall's Island and Red Rocks, but I really couldn't remember what night was better.

The second night of both are generally considered to be the more memorable/unique.


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CopperTom wrote:
liebzz wrote:
Also Mansfield 3 ‘03, Gorge 2 ‘06, Benaroya Hall, Unplugged, Seattle 2 ‘18, Wrigley 2 ‘16. Is SF ‘93 on there? Randall’s Island 2 ‘96? Red Rocks 2 ‘95.


I was going to avoid the acoustic shows - Mansfield, Benaroya and Unplugged. They're unique, but it's not really PJ. Which Gorge 06 show was the better show - 1 or 2? I'm not going to include any ballpark show from 2018 as there is little to no consensus as which one is best. Most people feel Fenway 2 was the best show in 2016. I considered both Randall's Island and Red Rocks, but I really couldn't remember what night was better.


Mansfield 3 wasn’t an acoustic show though. They opened with a 12 song semi acoustic set, but then played another 30+ song main set that was also quite excellent.

If we are going by favorite from ‘16, I think the set they played at Telluride was pretty excellent.


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liebzz wrote:
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Also Mansfield 3 ‘03, Gorge 2 ‘06, Benaroya Hall, Unplugged, Seattle 2 ‘18, Wrigley 2 ‘16. Is SF ‘93 on there? Randall’s Island 2 ‘96? Red Rocks 2 ‘95.


I was going to avoid the acoustic shows - Mansfield, Benaroya and Unplugged. They're unique, but it's not really PJ. Which Gorge 06 show was the better show - 1 or 2? I'm not going to include any ballpark show from 2018 as there is little to no consensus as which one is best. Most people feel Fenway 2 was the best show in 2016. I considered both Randall's Island and Red Rocks, but I really couldn't remember what night was better.


Mansfield 3 wasn’t an acoustic show though. They opened with a 12 song semi acoustic set, but then played another 30+ song main set that was also quite excellent.

If we are going by favorite from ‘16, I think the set they played at Telluride was pretty excellent.


Also, did you mean Indio 93?

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Mansfield 3 wasn't even the best of the Mansfield shows that year.


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Mansfield 3 wasn't even the best of the Mansfield shows that year.

That was my feeling too.

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No Slim’s Cafe San Francisco 5/13/93. I believe the crew picked the set list. The show was excellent, at least from what I remember of the bootlegs.

Setlist: Animal, Go, Even Flow, Blood, Daughter/WMA,
Dissident, Why Go, Alive, Hard to Imagine, Rearviewmirror, Better Man, Dirty Frank, Rats, Baba O’Riley, Once, Jeremy, Porch/Tearing, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, Release, Alone, Whipping, Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, Leash, Sonic Reducer (as per pearl jam.com tour history section).


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