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great work being done in this thread, which will result in more available funds for christmas gifts for the wife & family this year. :o

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I'm pretty sure everyone in the Pearl Jam LLC Organization hates your guts. :P

Can you remind me the main thrust of Klosterman's Boba Fett/Pearl Jam argument in your signature? I must have read it, because I've read all his essay collections, but I'll be damned if I can remember the Boba Fett bit.


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“In a roundabout way, Boba Fett created Pearl Jam.”
― Chuck Klosterman, Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs: A Low Culture Manifesto


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B wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone in the Pearl Jam LLC Organization hates your guts. :P

Can you remind me the main thrust of Klosterman's Boba Fett/Pearl Jam argument in your signature? I must have read it, because I've read all his essay collections, but I'll be damned if I can remember the Boba Fett bit.

https://books.google.com/books?id=4jzEn ... am&f=false


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durdencommatyler wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
B wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone in the Pearl Jam LLC Organization hates your guts. :P

Can you remind me the main thrust of Klosterman's Boba Fett/Pearl Jam argument in your signature? I must have read it, because I've read all his essay collections, but I'll be damned if I can remember the Boba Fett bit.

https://books.google.com/books?id=4jzEn ... am&f=false

:haha: Thanks guys. I love Klosterman.


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tragabigzanda wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
B wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone in the Pearl Jam LLC Organization hates your guts. :P

Can you remind me the main thrust of Klosterman's Boba Fett/Pearl Jam argument in your signature? I must have read it, because I've read all his essay collections, but I'll be damned if I can remember the Boba Fett bit.

https://books.google.com/books?id=4jzEn ... am&f=false

:haha: Thanks guys. I love Klosterman.


The argument was a little over my head, but it sounded good.

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trag comin' with the ear candy goods again. respect.

at least we have the spotify version, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
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I don't hate the Avacado art as much on the record sleeve.


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 Post subject: Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
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Did anybody who ordered through soundstage get theirs yet? I ordered all 3 lps in an order and a handful of singles in another order.


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 Post subject: Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
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With all the reissues, remasters, and foggy lineage, is there a site that can rank the best "audiophile" or best sounding copies of the releases? Along the lines of the "definitive list of PJ Songs" thread, but for records and/or SACD/DVD audio/HD tracks of the albums? I'd be an undertaking, for sure, and it would have to be a visual spectrum analysis as all of our ears are different.

Discogs is a great resource, but I don't see a ranking there.


The original CD's are definitive, period. No vinyl bullshit. No remasters.


That's the easy way out! I'm hoping some weird Slovakian pressing of No Code will give us the full dynamic range we deserve.

I have a feeling that, yes, each album is just dumped onto a record with nothing special done, brickwalled or not. I'm going to look at my records this weekend to note the "mastered for vinyl" credits - Backspacer is this way, maybe Uke songs. I know for a fact the vinyl of Mirrorball is one of the best sounding records I have.

More on topic: I was excited to get on the new avocado complaint bandwagon when my record came yesterday, but it was in fact a copy of Ten for some reason. I have informed the authorities.


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More on topic: I was excited to get on the new avocado complaint bandwagon when my record came yesterday, but it was in fact a copy of Ten for some reason. I have informed the authorities.


"We're pretty sure you meant to order this album, not our self-titled album".

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 Post subject: Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
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Did anybody who ordered through soundstage get theirs yet? I ordered all 3 lps in an order and a handful of singles in another order.


Looking at the aggregate of posts from places like Vinyl Collective and the Pit, I haven't seen anyone who's gotten their order from SSD. Still waiting for a shipping estimate for Riot Act and Binaural from Amazon over here.

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Did anybody who ordered through soundstage get theirs yet? I ordered all 3 lps in an order and a handful of singles in another order.


I ordered all 3 from there and haven't heard a peep regarding shipping. I cancelled the order and am getting them separately through other retailers.


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Did anybody who ordered through soundstage get theirs yet? I ordered all 3 lps in an order and a handful of singles in another order.


I ordered all 3 from there and haven't heard a peep regarding shipping. I cancelled the order and am getting them separately through other retailers.


I have such a good pre-order price through Amazon that I'm holding off. My local chain doesn't even have them yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Ok, so I just ran both the S/T Spotify master and the 2017 BOB mix through the Dynamic Range app, and this is what I got:

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Spotify Master

DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR7 -0.74 dB -8.73 dB 01 Life Wasted.wav
DR7 -0.76 dB -8.92 dB 02 World Wide Suicide.wav
DR6 -0.58 dB -7.67 dB 03 Comatose.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -9.52 dB 04 Severed Hand.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -8.61 dB 05 Marker In The Sand.wav
DR7 -1.08 dB -9.67 dB 06 Parachutes.wav
DR8 -1.08 dB -9.59 dB 07 Unemployable.wav
DR6 -0.82 dB -8.32 dB 08 Big Wave.wav
DR7 -0.86 dB -9.94 dB 09 Gone.wav
DR11 -2.34 dB -16.47 dB 10 Wasted Reprise.wav
DR7 -0.50 dB -9.16 dB 11 Army Reserve.wav
DR7 -0.70 dB -9.07 dB 12 Come Back.wav
DR7 -0.32 dB -11.40 dB 13 Inside Job.wav
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Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR7

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2017 Remix

DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR5 over -5.54 dB 1-01 Life Wasted (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.44 dB 1-02 World Wide Suicide (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.02 dB 1-03 Comatose (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.27 dB 1-04 Severed Hand (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.92 dB 1-05 Marker In the Sand (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -7.26 dB 1-06 Parachutes (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.01 dB 1-07 Unemployable (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.59 dB 1-08 Big Wave (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.86 dB 1-09 Gone (2017 Mix).wav
DR11 -0.06 dB -13.09 dB 1-10 Wasted Reprise (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -6.93 dB 1-11 Army Reserve (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.80 dB 1-12 Come Back (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -8.35 dB 1-13 Inside Job (2017 Mix).wav
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Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR5


TL;DR: the Spotify remaster has a dynamic range of 7, while the 2017 remix has a dynamic range of 5. The original CD version had a range of 6, so the 2017 remix is more compressed than the original version; and the Spotify remaster has more dynamics/less compression.

I've been thinking and I'm going to send this to HDtracks in my request for a refund. They say on their web page about how they check for shit like this and yet there it is. I understand it's a corporation but Jesus, they say right up front they hate stuff like this and check for it so it shouldn't have gone through.

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 Post subject: Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Ok, so I just ran both the S/T Spotify master and the 2017 BOB mix through the Dynamic Range app, and this is what I got:

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Spotify Master

DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR7 -0.74 dB -8.73 dB 01 Life Wasted.wav
DR7 -0.76 dB -8.92 dB 02 World Wide Suicide.wav
DR6 -0.58 dB -7.67 dB 03 Comatose.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -9.52 dB 04 Severed Hand.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -8.61 dB 05 Marker In The Sand.wav
DR7 -1.08 dB -9.67 dB 06 Parachutes.wav
DR8 -1.08 dB -9.59 dB 07 Unemployable.wav
DR6 -0.82 dB -8.32 dB 08 Big Wave.wav
DR7 -0.86 dB -9.94 dB 09 Gone.wav
DR11 -2.34 dB -16.47 dB 10 Wasted Reprise.wav
DR7 -0.50 dB -9.16 dB 11 Army Reserve.wav
DR7 -0.70 dB -9.07 dB 12 Come Back.wav
DR7 -0.32 dB -11.40 dB 13 Inside Job.wav
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR7

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2017 Remix

DR Peak RMS Filename
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DR5 over -5.54 dB 1-01 Life Wasted (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.44 dB 1-02 World Wide Suicide (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.02 dB 1-03 Comatose (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.27 dB 1-04 Severed Hand (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.92 dB 1-05 Marker In the Sand (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -7.26 dB 1-06 Parachutes (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.01 dB 1-07 Unemployable (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.59 dB 1-08 Big Wave (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.86 dB 1-09 Gone (2017 Mix).wav
DR11 -0.06 dB -13.09 dB 1-10 Wasted Reprise (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -6.93 dB 1-11 Army Reserve (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.80 dB 1-12 Come Back (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -8.35 dB 1-13 Inside Job (2017 Mix).wav
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR5


TL;DR: the Spotify remaster has a dynamic range of 7, while the 2017 remix has a dynamic range of 5. The original CD version had a range of 6, so the 2017 remix is more compressed than the original version; and the Spotify remaster has more dynamics/less compression.

I've been thinking and I'm going to send this to HDtracks in my request for a refund. They say on their web page about how they check for shit like this and yet there it is. I understand it's a corporation but Jesus, they say right up front they hate stuff like this and check for it so it shouldn't have gone through.


Sorry, what claim did HDTracks make that you are disputing?


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http://www.hdtracks.com/quality

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Did anybody who ordered through soundstage get theirs yet? I ordered all 3 lps in an order and a handful of singles in another order.


I ordered all 3 from there and haven't heard a peep regarding shipping. I cancelled the order and am getting them separately through other retailers.


I have such a good pre-order price through Amazon that I'm holding off. My local chain doesn't even have them yet.


I called today, not because I'm angry but curious. They haven't received their allotment. Guy said they will start shipping next week sometime. Same with 7".


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Teeeeeekay wrote:
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Did anybody who ordered through soundstage get theirs yet? I ordered all 3 lps in an order and a handful of singles in another order.


I ordered all 3 from there and haven't heard a peep regarding shipping. I cancelled the order and am getting them separately through other retailers.


I have such a good pre-order price through Amazon that I'm holding off. My local chain doesn't even have them yet.


I called today, not because I'm angry but curious. They haven't received their allotment. Guy said they will start shipping next week sometime. Same with 7".


I called last Friday and the guy said the same thing (saying they would ship early this week)... :?


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