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Author:  KurtLeon [ Thu November 16, 2017 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
Revelator wrote:
Teeeeeekay wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:
nosajh9 wrote:
i can confirm that riot act from hdtracks is no different than the original, but there is no claim that this is the newly released version either.


Riot Act was released on HDTracks in 2015. It went mostly unnoticed, but 192/24 versions of both Binaural and Riot Act also went up on Qobuz in September 2017. I have confirmed that the Qobuz version of Riot Act is same as the HDTracks version from 2015. The question now is whether this version is the same as the new '2017 remaster' supposedly being put out in conjunction with the 2017 vinyl release (if so this would mean it's actually a 2015 remaster). Any help getting to the bottom of this would be muchly appreciatory because it's holding up the release of this:

Image

And before anyone asks, like the No Code/Yield Deluxe editions I will be putting out a version with the original CD master as well :thumbsup:


Would want to.
This will be fantastic. Can't wait.


Outstanding! Could someone kindly share a link to the No Code and Yield deluxe editions?
Author:  VinylGuy [ Thu November 16, 2017 2:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
Oh i want that RA deluxe edition. Man, why bother with the official releases? We got something better here.
Author:  B [ Thu November 16, 2017 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
When are we going to get vinyl reissues of the Ten singles?
Author:  Simple Torture [ Thu November 16, 2017 3:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
B wrote:
When are we going to get vinyl reissues of the Ten singles?


On top of this: it was bogus that they released the No Code / Yield era singles but skipped Merkinball.
Author:  darth_vedder [ Thu November 16, 2017 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
CAN PEARL JAM DO ANYTHING RIGHT ANYMORE?!
Author:  B [ Thu November 16, 2017 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
Simple Torture wrote:
B wrote:
When are we going to get vinyl reissues of the Ten singles?


On top of this: it was bogus that they released the No Code / Yield era singles but skipped Merkinball.


I kinda like having something rare. 8-)
Author:  Monkey_Driven [ Thu November 16, 2017 3:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
I picked up a gently used copy of the Ten remix/OG double vinyl for $15 at my local record store. Almost have all of them now.
Author:  nomorecrackpipes [ Thu November 16, 2017 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
With all the reissues, remasters, and foggy lineage, is there a site that can rank the best "audiophile" or best sounding copies of the releases? Along the lines of the "definitive list of PJ Songs" thread, but for records and/or SACD/DVD audio/HD tracks of the albums? I'd be an undertaking, for sure, and it would have to be a visual spectrum analysis as all of our ears are different.

Discogs is a great resource, but I don't see a ranking there.
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Thu November 16, 2017 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
nomorecrackpipes wrote:
With all the reissues, remasters, and foggy lineage, is there a site that can rank the best "audiophile" or best sounding copies of the releases? Along the lines of the "definitive list of PJ Songs" thread, but for records and/or SACD/DVD audio/HD tracks of the albums? I'd be an undertaking, for sure, and it would have to be a visual spectrum analysis as all of our ears are different.

Discogs is a great resource, but I don't see a ranking there.

This is a good place to start:

http://dr.loudness-war.info/
Author:  Simple Torture [ Thu November 16, 2017 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
The official Pearl Jam Twitter account retweeted this guy's review:
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Thu November 16, 2017 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
Ok, so I just ran both the S/T Spotify master and the 2017 BOB mix through the Dynamic Range app, and this is what I got:

Spoiler: show
Spotify Master

DR Peak RMS Filename
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR7 -0.74 dB -8.73 dB 01 Life Wasted.wav
DR7 -0.76 dB -8.92 dB 02 World Wide Suicide.wav
DR6 -0.58 dB -7.67 dB 03 Comatose.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -9.52 dB 04 Severed Hand.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -8.61 dB 05 Marker In The Sand.wav
DR7 -1.08 dB -9.67 dB 06 Parachutes.wav
DR8 -1.08 dB -9.59 dB 07 Unemployable.wav
DR6 -0.82 dB -8.32 dB 08 Big Wave.wav
DR7 -0.86 dB -9.94 dB 09 Gone.wav
DR11 -2.34 dB -16.47 dB 10 Wasted Reprise.wav
DR7 -0.50 dB -9.16 dB 11 Army Reserve.wav
DR7 -0.70 dB -9.07 dB 12 Come Back.wav
DR7 -0.32 dB -11.40 dB 13 Inside Job.wav
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR7

#############

2017 Remix

DR Peak RMS Filename
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR5 over -5.54 dB 1-01 Life Wasted (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.44 dB 1-02 World Wide Suicide (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.02 dB 1-03 Comatose (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.27 dB 1-04 Severed Hand (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.92 dB 1-05 Marker In the Sand (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -7.26 dB 1-06 Parachutes (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.01 dB 1-07 Unemployable (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.59 dB 1-08 Big Wave (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.86 dB 1-09 Gone (2017 Mix).wav
DR11 -0.06 dB -13.09 dB 1-10 Wasted Reprise (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -6.93 dB 1-11 Army Reserve (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.80 dB 1-12 Come Back (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -8.35 dB 1-13 Inside Job (2017 Mix).wav
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR5


TL;DR: the Spotify remaster has a dynamic range of 7, while the 2017 remix has a dynamic range of 5. The original CD version had a range of 6, so the 2017 remix is more compressed than the original version; and the Spotify remaster has more dynamics/less compression.
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Thu November 16, 2017 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
Looking at the individual songs, we can see that nearly every single one has about 2db less dynamic range on the 2017 version; the whole album is also about 5db louder overall.
Author:  Strat [ Thu November 16, 2017 6:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
tragabigzanda wrote:
Looking at the individual songs, we can see that nearly every single one has about 2db less dynamic range on the 2017 version; the whole album is also about 5db louder overall.

WHY DO THEY DO THIS WHY
Author:  Strat [ Thu November 16, 2017 6:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
And make sure to dumb it down for me please. No big words. thanks, trag.
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Thu November 16, 2017 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
Who knows? It was pretty standard in the early-to-mid aughts, when artists and engineers were concerned with how their song would play on an ipod shuffle playlist, but that conventional thinking has started to die out pretty dramatically; there are lots of new popular records that aren't squashed. My money is on either A) Ed/BOB have done a lot of damage to their ears and need to hear things loud all the time, and/or B) they are still stuck in the mid aughts.
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Thu November 16, 2017 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
Hey, is there a credit for the mastering engineer/house on the 2017 ST?
Author:  Wendy Carlos's Twin [ Thu November 16, 2017 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
nomorecrackpipes wrote:
With all the reissues, remasters, and foggy lineage, is there a site that can rank the best "audiophile" or best sounding copies of the releases? Along the lines of the "definitive list of PJ Songs" thread, but for records and/or SACD/DVD audio/HD tracks of the albums? I'd be an undertaking, for sure, and it would have to be a visual spectrum analysis as all of our ears are different.

Discogs is a great resource, but I don't see a ranking there.


The original CD's are definitive, period. No vinyl bullshit. No remasters.
Author:  B [ Thu November 16, 2017 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
tragabigzanda wrote:
Ok, so I just ran both the S/T Spotify master and the 2017 BOB mix through the Dynamic Range app, and this is what I got:

Spotify Master

DR Peak RMS Filename
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR7 -0.74 dB -8.73 dB 01 Life Wasted.wav
DR7 -0.76 dB -8.92 dB 02 World Wide Suicide.wav
DR6 -0.58 dB -7.67 dB 03 Comatose.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -9.52 dB 04 Severed Hand.wav
DR7 -0.80 dB -8.61 dB 05 Marker In The Sand.wav
DR7 -1.08 dB -9.67 dB 06 Parachutes.wav
DR8 -1.08 dB -9.59 dB 07 Unemployable.wav
DR6 -0.82 dB -8.32 dB 08 Big Wave.wav
DR7 -0.86 dB -9.94 dB 09 Gone.wav
DR11 -2.34 dB -16.47 dB 10 Wasted Reprise.wav
DR7 -0.50 dB -9.16 dB 11 Army Reserve.wav
DR7 -0.70 dB -9.07 dB 12 Come Back.wav
DR7 -0.32 dB -11.40 dB 13 Inside Job.wav
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR7

#############

2017 Remix

DR Peak RMS Filename
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DR5 over -5.54 dB 1-01 Life Wasted (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.44 dB 1-02 World Wide Suicide (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.02 dB 1-03 Comatose (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.27 dB 1-04 Severed Hand (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.92 dB 1-05 Marker In the Sand (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -7.26 dB 1-06 Parachutes (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.01 dB 1-07 Unemployable (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.59 dB 1-08 Big Wave (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -6.86 dB 1-09 Gone (2017 Mix).wav
DR11 -0.06 dB -13.09 dB 1-10 Wasted Reprise (2017 Mix).wav
DR6 over -6.93 dB 1-11 Army Reserve (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -5.80 dB 1-12 Come Back (2017 Mix).wav
DR5 over -8.35 dB 1-13 Inside Job (2017 Mix).wav
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of files: 13
Official DR value: DR5

TL;DR: the Spotify remaster has a dynamic range of 7, while the 2017 remix has a dynamic range of 5. The original CD version had a range of 6, so the 2017 remix is more compressed than the original version; and the Spotify remaster has more dynamics/less compression.


I'm pretty sure everyone in the Pearl Jam LLC Organization hates your guts. :P
Author:  bodysnatcher [ Thu November 16, 2017 9:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
i have a feeling if they read that, they would have no idea what it means
Author:  darth_vedder [ Thu November 16, 2017 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?
tragabigzanda wrote:
Who knows? It was pretty standard in the early-to-mid aughts, when artists and engineers were concerned with how their song would play on an ipod shuffle playlist, but that conventional thinking has started to die out pretty dramatically; there are lots of new popular records that aren't squashed. My money is on either A) Ed/BOB have done a lot of damage to their ears and need to hear things loud all the time, and/or B) they are still stuck in the mid aughts.


or both

bodysnatcher wrote:
i have a feeling if they read that, they would have no idea what it means


that too
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