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Most of the "full band" YL's end up being just Mike and Ed on the stage anyway, so I'm not sure why the AFC version should be excluded

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Most of the "full band" YL's end up being just Mike and Ed on the stage anyway, so I'm not sure why the AFC version should be excluded

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matt reeder wrote:
State of Love and Trust - Amsterdam, 2/12/1992


Ed misses a chunk of the first verse in this one. Did you mean a different show?

Moore Theatre is another good one from early 92.


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cutuphalfdead wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Most of the "full band" YL's end up being just Mike and Ed on the stage anyway, so I'm not sure why the AFC version should be excluded

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What rot - name one full band YL that doesn't have drums.


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ridleybradout wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Most of the "full band" YL's end up being just Mike and Ed on the stage anyway, so I'm not sure why the AFC version should be excluded

exactly


What rot - name one other full band YL that doesn't have drums.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Most of the "full band" YL's end up being just Mike and Ed on the stage anyway, so I'm not sure why the AFC version should be excluded

exactly


What rot - name one other full band YL that doesn't have drums.

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"YL" has a strange trajectory as a live song. Early versions have always felt a little on the "improvised" side for my tastes -- the band felt their way through them, tentatively but deliberately. As the song appeared more frequently, it gained definition, but gradually came to feel more like a gesture than a performance -- a sort of end-credits fanfare that plays over the final minutes of every show. The TFC performance is right in the sweet spot between those two extremes-- and the fact that Mike has to handle the rhythm and lead throughout makes it a particularly strong performance from him. I'd add also that we have no other professional recordings from '97 and very few from '96, so including this would be a way to shed some more light on an underrepresented era.

As I said in the beginning, I think bringing in some of the more novel performances of the familiar songs will help keep the compilation exciting. The idea of coming up with a consensus on single best versions seems futile -- so many of these songs have been played so many times, and the arrangements seldom change. What makes one version of "Corduroy" from 2000 better than another? Ultimately we're going to be using very small differences for criteria, and more often than not I suspect people will make choices based on versions they've been longest familiar with, not necessarily ones that are inherently better, because in a lot of cases the differences are so slight. Over, what, 12-13 discs (?), variety will be an asset -- variety in sound character, variety in type of performance, variety in era, etc. No way it's not going to sound kind of "mongrel"-ish anyway, might as well play it up.

I'll do up a spreadsheet sometime this week.


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"YL" has a strange trajectory as a live song. Early versions have always felt a little on the "improvised" side for my tastes -- the band felt their way through them, tentatively but deliberately. As the song appeared more frequently, it gained definition, but gradually came to feel more like a gesture than a performance -- a sort of end-credits fanfare that plays over the final minutes of every show. The TFC performance is right in the sweet spot between those two extremes. The fact that Mike has to handle the rhythm and lead throughout makes it a particularly strong performance from him. I'd add also that we have no other professional recordings from '97 and very few from '96, so including this would be a way to shed some more light on an underrepresented era.

As I said in the beginning, I think bringing in some of the more novel performances of the familiar songs will help keep the compilation exciting. The idea of coming up with a consensus on single best versions seems futile -- so many of these songs have been played so many times, and the arrangements seldom change. What makes one version of "Corduroy" from 2000 better than another? Ultimately we're going to be using very small differences for criteria, and more often than not I suspect people will make choices based on versions they've been longest familiar with, not necessarily ones that are inherently better, because in a lot of cases the differences are so slight. Over, what, 12-13 discs (?), variety will be an asset -- variety in sound character, variety in type of performance, variety in era, etc. No way it's not going to sound kind of "mongrel"-ish anyway, might as well play it up.

I'll do up a spreadsheet sometime this week.

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ridleybradout wrote:
matt reeder wrote:
State of Love and Trust - Amsterdam, 2/12/1992


Ed misses a chunk of the first verse in this one. Did you mean a different show?

Moore Theatre is another good one from early 92.


The one from Utrecht is the one that comes to mind for me. That one's great.

I like the idea of the Unplugged "Oceans," but is the non-DVD-rip version of high enough quality to use? Spenno will boycott the comp if we use an "Ohhh, Beeaugh" version of "Oceans."


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I like the idea of the Unplugged "Oceans," but is the non-DVD-rip version of high enough quality to use? Spenno will boycott the comp if we use an "Ohhh, Beeaugh" version of "Oceans."


I recall it sounding superb (and being Pre-FM), but don't quote me on that. I'm busy with other stuff at the moment.


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ridleybradout wrote:
matt reeder wrote:
State of Love and Trust - Amsterdam, 2/12/1992


Ed misses a chunk of the first verse in this one. Did you mean a different show?

Moore Theatre is another good one from early 92.


Dammit, yes. I get all those early 1992 soundboards mixed up. They're all great, they all have at least one flaw. The Moore Theater version is very good.


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matt reeder wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:
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State of Love and Trust - Amsterdam, 2/12/1992


Ed misses a chunk of the first verse in this one. Did you mean a different show?

Moore Theatre is another good one from early 92.


Dammit, yes. I get all those early 1992 soundboards mixed up. They're all great, they all have at least one flaw. The Moore Theater version is very good.


i really like the melbourne 98 version of solat. its so slow and groovy with jack on the throne and i just love ed's "free of suggestion" tag.

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matt reeder wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:
matt reeder wrote:
State of Love and Trust - Amsterdam, 2/12/1992


Ed misses a chunk of the first verse in this one. Did you mean a different show?

Moore Theatre is another good one from early 92.


Dammit, yes. I get all those early 1992 soundboards mixed up. They're all great, they all have at least one flaw. The Moore Theater version is very good.


i really like the melbourne 98 version of solat. its so slow and groovy with jack on the throne and i just love ed's "free of suggestion" tag.

yeah that's a good one


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cutuphalfdead wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
matt reeder wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:
matt reeder wrote:
State of Love and Trust - Amsterdam, 2/12/1992


Ed misses a chunk of the first verse in this one. Did you mean a different show?

Moore Theatre is another good one from early 92.


Dammit, yes. I get all those early 1992 soundboards mixed up. They're all great, they all have at least one flaw. The Moore Theater version is very good.


i really like the melbourne 98 version of solat. its so slow and groovy with jack on the throne and i just love ed's "free of suggestion" tag.

yeah that's a good one


Thirded, that's a great version.


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Are we sticking to earlier stuff? I'm seeing mostly Ten-Yield.


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Sleight of Hand Oslo, 2000

Think he flubs some lyrics though.


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And I totally agree with "Man of the Hour" from Milan '06. A powerhouse moment for Ed's voice.

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As I recall, I paid $50 (maybe $60) for the Tibetan Freedom Concert triple CD just for the Beck and PJ songs. This has always been my favorite version of Yellow Ledbetter.


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I posted these in my thread from a few days ago.

Release (Orpheum 1994): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rsBHg8nLwc

Immortality (Orpheum 1994): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_uLLzra0kM

Dissident (Reading 2006): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQJevDR1ZQ


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