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Right, but we are looking for the best quality, definitive live versions. For that, I want Ed singing, not a crowd.
Yes. I don't agree. The more audience singing, the more legit and listenable Betterman is.
Nononononono
I'm not going to ruin your project or anything, but I've always felt like this. The times when I end up showing Pearl Jam to someone new, I put on Betterman with a really vocal audience first, or Present Tense above.
I love a bit of crowd participation myself (my 'Preternatural Other Plane' Aus 2006 compilation has a great Present Tense like the above), but I think for a 'definitive version' a bit of audible crowd sing-along is okay, but not a whole verse/chorus.
Thanks for keeping the discussion going guys. I'm pretty much decided on most tracks now, but still not sure of Off He Goes:
Benaroya 2003 or East Troy 2000 (or another 2000 version? There are a lot of good ones).
I've ruled out the LO2L version because I find Matt's drumming a bit too 'stiff' which doesn't fit the feel of the song. The 2000 versions are a lot looser
darth_vedder wrote:
East Troy is really good, just listened to it, but I think the LO2L is still better.
For those that haven't heard East Troy, you can listen here around the 54 minute mark:
=============== P E A R L J A M =============== DEFINITIVE LIVE ===============
Compilation and artwork by ridleybradout March 2018
FAN-MADE PROJECT - NOT FOR SALE
*Share freely but do not distribute as mp3*
It has been almost 13 years since the Green Habit Compilation was put together by the Red Mosquito Forum community. As the band has now been together for double that length of time, an update or sequel to this collection was well overdue. Hundreds of official bootlegs later (including numerous 'vault' releases from the pre-bootleg era), every song has been put up for review.
Red Mosquito forum users were invited to nominate and debate their favourite versions of each song, for me to then go away and listen to each to make a final decision: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8556
There were a number of criteria for picking a definitive live version: sound quality, correct lyrics, no guitar flubs, full band (if that is how the song was recorded in the studio), electric rather than acoustic (again, if that is how the song was recorded), and original era/drummer where possible (unless later versions had something really special). Basically, if you had to represent the essence and power of each song through one single live version - which would it be?
After a LOT of deliberation, this is what we came up with. Thank you to everyone for your suggestions and for the discussion to date. This will be a constantly evolving collection, so will be reviewed as new shows are played or released from the vault. The best known source for each track has been used, and remastered by JWB only where required to provide the smoothest possible listening experience.
Disc 5: 'No Code'
5-01 Sometimes (Toronto 2000-10-05) 5-02 Hail Hail (Berlin 1996-11-03) 5-03 Who You Are (Berlin 1996-11-03) 5-04 In My Tree (Melbourne 1998-03-05) 5-05 Smile (Barcelona 1996-11-21) 5-06 Off He Goes (Alpine Valley 2000-10-08) 5-07 Habit (Fresno 2000-10-27) 5-08 Red Mosquito (Chicago 2000-10-09) 5-09 Lukin (Berlin 1996-11-03) 5-10 Present Tense (St Louis 2003-04-22) 5-11 Mankind (Toronto 2000-10-05) 5-12 I'm Open (Chicago 2006-05-16) 5-13 Around The Bend (Benaroya 2003-10-22) 5-14 All Night (Saskatoon 2011-09-19) 5-15 Black Red Yellow (Wrigley 2016-08-22) 5-16 Dead Man (Benaroya 2003-10-22) 5-17 Don't Gimme No Lip (Portland 2006-07-20) 5-18 Falling Down (Red Rocks 1995-06-20)
Untitled - Camden 2000-09-02 - Global Citizens 2015-09-26 - West Palm Beach 2003-04-11
MFC - Camden 2000-09-02 - Melbourne 1998-03-05
In Hiding - San Francisco (LOXL) 2006-07-18 - Milwaukee 2006-06-29 - Philadelphia 2009-10-30 - Los Angeles 1998-07-13 (minor lyric error fixed on LO2L II version) - Seattle 2000-11-06
Low Light - Columbia 2016-04-21 - Benaroya Hall 2003-10-22 - Halifax 2005-09-22 - Wrigley 2016-08-22
Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequ
Posted: Mon March 19, 2018 1:17 am
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Definitely go with the LO2L version of DTE and the Melbourne Brain Of J.
I'll throw out a recommendation for the 8/25/98 version of No Way. I could see you not wanting to go with this because it's not a soundboard or official boot. But it still sounds pretty good, and I personally prefer the '98 arrangement over the way they played it in '09.
But if you insist on going with a No Way from an official boot, the Spectrum '09 version is good. Probably no better or worse than the versions you've listed though.
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