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 Post subject: Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequel)
PostPosted: Sun September 18, 2016 1:14 pm 
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As discussed in a couple of other threads, the RM community is about to embark on the mammoth task of determining our collective opinion of the definitive live versions of all Pearl Jam songs.

This will form the mother of all compilations, a sequel of sorts to the 'Green Habit' compilation put together by an earlier incarnation of this board back in 2004. Hundreds of official bootlegs later (including numerous 'vault' releases from the pre-bootleg era) every song is up for review, so we are starting from scratch.

I've compiled a list of 186 tracks - all PJ originals and a selection of covers that PJ have made their own over the years. For the sake of brevity (ha!), improvs, one-offs and less common covers will not be included.

Apart from 'Just A Girl' (which has only been performed twice in the band's history) there should be an official live release or soundboard version of every single song, so I say like with the GH comp, we keep this to pro-recorded versions (i.e. no audience-recordings).

The spreadsheet of tracks is up for download here, so start compiling your list of suggestions (whether you plan to complete the whole thing or not) and I will setup a public document for all to view so the arguing and bitching can begin! :hooray:


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"Uncommon" songs from 2000-2006 that I researched...you would be hard-pressed to find better versions IMO...but feel free to suggest otherwise...sometimes I fuck up...

Cropduster - Sydney 2003 #3
Down - Uniondale 2003
Faithful - Camden 2000 #2
Footsteps - Houston 2000 #2
Evacuation - Tampa 2000 (same as TB2K)
Hard 2 Imagine - East Rutherford 2006 #2
Help Help - Hershey 2003
Man Of The Hour - Milan 2006
Parachutes - Torino 2006
Sad - San Francisco 7/18/06 (w/ last note from 7/15 grafted on to solve transition "problem")
Save You - West Palm Beach 2003
Sleight Of Hand - Chicago 2000
Tremor Christ - Detroit 2000


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 Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequ
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That's a good list, WCT. I think there might be some better Tremor Christs on some of the pre 2000 soundboards available, though

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
That's a good list, WCT. I think there might be some better Tremor Christs on some of the pre 2000 soundboards available, though


Right. I forgot to mention that this is just official boots and thus Matt-era.

Brad, are you arranging the set into three "eras", with all songs represented in each era? I think perhaps you should, and release it in three parts.


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Why not include tracks from the SRS for consideration? Open it up to get some earlier versions on this thing.


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Improv/Untitled/MFC--West Palm 03
I Am A Patriot---West Palm 03
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My post from the other thread:

Kevin Davis wrote:
Okay, so Ridley mentioned this compilation again in PJ Chat (in the "Pearl Jam's Best Live Performances" thread) and I've been mulling over some possible selections. I think the secret sauce in a compilation like this is finding a way to make the warhorses interesting -- not necessarily finding the single best versions of them, but finding unique versions of them, or at least ones that come from recordings with a slightly different sonic character than the official boots. To that end, here are some ideas:

"Even Flow" -- there are so many excellent but rote versions of this song; virtually any one would do, but very few would feel special. I would recommend using either the Unplugged version, or the slightly rearranged Melbourne '95 version. Might be a little more engaging than what your average PJ listener is accustomed to these days.

"Yellow Ledbetter" -- the 1997 Tibetan Freedom Concert version remains the most special version of this for me. One of the best examples of the band (or Ed and Mike) really being locked into the performance of the actual music, rather than enraptured in the farewell gesture it is at proper shows.

"Save You" -- Live at Easy Street. One version of this is as good as the next, really, but this one at least has a sonic flavor that's a little different than the official boots.

"Daughter" -- tempting as it is to use a version of this with an iconic tag or spaced out jam at the end, I would propose using one of the crisp, medium-paced early versions with Dave A. with no tag or a very short one. Rotterdam '93 from the Soundboard Series or Vegas '93 (Vault 5) spring to mind. It's been my experience that after becoming accustomed to the sped-up, less focused Matt versions, the more concise, tighter-wound Dave A. versions are like manna from Heaven.

"Elderly Woman" -- see above. Gotta be a Dave A. version; none of the grab-the-ass-of-the-nearest-Jamily-member-and-get-out-yer-best-singin'-pipes versions from the official boot era are good enough. Atlanta '94 is a great one, but since that will likely be tapped for plenty of performances as is, I would suggest the equally lovely, less familiar Boston 4/12/94 version.

"Better Man" -- the acoustic Bridge '99 version that appears on the B-sides comp would be a nice break from the more familiar concert versions. If not, then one of the 2000 versions with the "Romanza" intro -- Indianapolis is a personal favorite.

"Alive" -- the applause that erupts when they start this song in Seattle 2000 is by itself almost enough to include it; the fact that it's also a stellar version makes it a shoo-in in my book. After hearing probably literally hundreds of versions of this song, this is the only version that still feels unequivocally special to me.

"RVM" -- nothing later than 2000, but preferably a version from early on before Mike excised that lead riff from the chorus part. Atlanta '94 maybe?

"Given to Fly" -- I think Melbourne '98 is the only soundboard we have of this song with Jack on drums. Like Atlanta '94, I think it will be tempting to tap this show for virtually its entire setlist, but I think this one is a must.

Some other versions that immediately come to mind:

"Indifference" -- Indio '93. I know that this is one of the lesser soundoards, but Eddie's voice on this so eclipses any other live version I've heard that I think the compromise is worth it. Even in great years like 1998 and 2000 this song seemed to be a little beyond what Eddie could muster at the end of a show. It shoulda been an opener.

"Thumbing My Way" -- the version from Calgary '05 is played on electric guitar, and features more imaginative singing that any other version I've heard.

"All Those Yesterdays" -- DC '98 -- how lucky we are to now have a soundboard of this from '98. Any other choice would be barbaric.

"Tremor Christ" -- while I'm inclined to want a '95 version of this, I think the Torino '06 version is probably the best one they've ever played.

"Breath" -- Pistoia '06 -- see "Tremor Christ." A flawless performance, tight with perfect lyrical recall. I don't know that any song in their catalog has as high of a performance count to fuckup ratio as this (except maybe "Tremor Christ").

"Release" -- lots of takes to choose from, but I think early versions of this tend to spotlight a lot of Ed's worst traits from that period -- a sort of "hurr durr" showcase, if you will. I am a big fan of the Bonner Springs '03 version, where Ed sees the lightning flash and says "hi, Dad."

"Black" -- I feel pretty much the same about this as I do about "Release." I much prefer the more restrained performances of the middle years to the drama of the early years. Lubbock '00 is a version that has stuck with me.

"Leaving Here" -- Katowice 6/16/00. Maybe the only version from the official boot era where Ed gets all the words right.

"Sometimes" -- Berlin '96. Again, the only soundboard recording we have featuring Jack on drums, and it's one that really benefits from the gentility he brings it -- it loses something with Matt's 4/4 rock beat.

"Present Tense" -- Berlin '96, same reasons as "Sometimes." This song simply lost presence when Matt took the reins, fine as some of those versions are.

My gut says to use Jack versions of most songs on which he originally played, if possible, but I think that would ultimately have us drawing a lot of performances from two shows (Berlin and Melbourne), sucking some of the fun out of the project. I also can't recall if the versions of "In My Tree," "Faithful," "Off He Goes," etc. from these shows really do eclipse the better Matt versions, or if I just remembef them that way because I prefer Jack as a drummer.

I feel pathetic for being able to write this post.


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And I totally agree with "Man of the Hour" from Milan '06. A powerhouse moment for Ed's voice.


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A couple easy ones:

Can't Keep -- Tokyo '03
All or None -- Albany '03


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I'm on board with the YL from the Tibetan Freedom concert

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Do we have any usable recordings from '96 apart from Berlin? It would be a shame if that was the only show that could be mined from that era. There's the Barcelona "Smile" and a couple of Bridge School tracks, but I'm not sure if I'd pick any of those...


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Damn, I'm listening to Yellow Ledbetter from the Tibetan Freedom Concert. First time I've heard it. This IS really good.


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Kevin Davis wrote:
Do we have any usable recordings from '96 apart from Berlin? It would be a shame if that was the only show that could be mined from that era. There's the Barcelona "Smile" and a couple of Bridge School tracks, but I'm not sure if I'd pick any of those...

I think there are a couple of 96 shows in the pre 2000 and collection, right?

Edit - there are not. Just some 1995 shows, no other 96 shows.

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Act Of Love DC 98 is a must. The bluesy guitars are awesome.


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The "Mirrorball" songs seem appropriate to include.


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id like to nominate even flow from uniondale 03, betterman from state college 03, and of course satans bed from atlanta 94

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Kevin Davis wrote:
"Release" -- lots of takes to choose from, but I think early versions of this tend to spotlight a lot of Ed's worst traits from that period -- a sort of "hurr durr" showcase, if you will. I am a big fan of the Bonner Springs '03 version, where Ed sees the lightning flash and says "hi, Dad."

Could not agree more.

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