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| Author: | mikejasond [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
Strat wrote: or the change int he bridge of Light Years? IDK the bridge of this song does nothing to me, it goes on forever and to me its not interesting. The peak of this song is that I like the verses so it peaks at the first verse for me. Id kill for this song to have something liek Daughter, where after the bridge we're hearing something different |
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| Author: | mikejasond [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
Strat wrote: or the bridge and climax of nothing as it seems To me, again, Nothing as it Seems has a much stronger verse than chorus. the song starts cool but loses its momentum for me when the chorus hits |
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| Author: | mikejasond [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
I do think parting ways is good and Thin Air, though they dont touch daughter |
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| Author: | Strat [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
mikejasond wrote: Light Years is probably one of their worst laid out songs in my opinion. THAT is the one that is verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, and there's little else interesting about it UNLIKE daughter which is not as simple as you guys make it sound. It needs to be about half as long as it actually is Daughter is: Intro Verse Chorus Bridge Chorus Outro LIKE EVERY FUCKING SONG OF THEIRS. |
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| Author: | Norris [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
mikejasond wrote: i would compare it to the GRRM books, A Song of Ice and Fire. The first albums are the first books of the series. Just an amazingly laid out and told story. Straight to the point, expert pacing. Then the middle albums are feast for crows, and dance with dragons. Bloated, 'esoteric', rambling. So many songs on Binaural are twice as long as they need to be. Light Years and Nothing as it Seems the chief offenders, which get 5+ minutes out of barely any content. I dont feel the runtime of either song is earned. oh now you're just trolling me |
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| Author: | mikejasond [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
Yes I can do that for literally every song in the catalog however if you do that you're missing a lot of complexity, whereas when I say Light Years is verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, chorus...that's literally all there is to it. There's nothing interesting beyond that. Whereas in the daughter example those choruses are very different from one another and even the verse has two distinct entities inside of it, and the outro is playing off of musical themes used completely differently earlier in the song, and the outro actually adds 'new content' to the song |
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| Author: | mikejasond [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
I will also say that in almost EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE If you compare a song from Vs. to a song from Binaural or Riot Act, that song from Vs. will have more new ideas inside of it than the others. Even songs that aren't all that well loved like Glorified G and Rats are amazing. I mean I listen to Glorified G and Im like yeah this is a well laid out song. Even elderly woman! The build in that song is great. Daughter just stands out even more. But the majority of the Vs. songs are better laid-out songs than the majority of the middle album songs |
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| Author: | Norris [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
Edd, fetch me a block. |
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| Author: | mikejasond [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
cutuphalfdead wrote: Edd, fetch me a block. Are you one of the people who thinks book 4 and 5 of ASOIAF are the best? because if you do then we might never agree |
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| Author: | Norris [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
mikejasond wrote: cutuphalfdead wrote: Edd, fetch me a block. Are you one of the people who thinks book 4 and 5 of ASOIAF are the best? because if you do then we might never agree ADWD ASOS ACOK AFFC AGOT but AFFC might be as good as ACOK |
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| Author: | mikejasond [ Thu September 14, 2017 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
Listening to Rats now. The amazing funky second solo would never have happened on the middle albums, because it changes the feel of the song But anyways this topic is about daughter, and daughter, on an album of very well laid out songs, stands out as the most The fact you guys think its so simple is just because it does what it does so dang WELL |
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| Author: | Leatherhead [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
mikejasond wrote: Seriously if you just listen to the first 30 seconds of Daughter you haven't heard the half of it. You have to listen to the whole thing. its incredible how many songs on Binaural you don't have to go beyond the beginning. Some of them PEAK in the first 30 seconds (Grievance). This is so ridiculous. Grievance's outro is quite different from the rest of the song, and it's almost a minute long. |
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| Author: | Leatherhead [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
2:50 - 4:00 of NAIS is better than all of Daughter. |
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| Author: | Leatherhead [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
This 25 seconds of Evacuation is better than all of Daughter. "It's like you're waiting for a diamond shore to wash your way Bets put aside, you're evil, let's crawl into your face A vision, vague or not, raising a frightful wake-you-up" |
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| Author: | Leatherhead [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
SoH 3:50 - 4:20 is better than all of Daughter. |
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| Author: | Leatherhead [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
mikejasond just likes the most pedestrian and boring aspects of Pearl Jam. Nothing too weird or different for mikejasond. |
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| Author: | Norris [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
Mike isn't wrong about Daughter, he's just wrong about the songs he's comparing it to. |
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| Author: | Birds in Hell [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
I've never felt closer to mikejasond than I have in this thread. |
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| Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Thu September 14, 2017 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
Leatherhead wrote: SoH 3:50 - 4:20 is better than all of Daughter. Uh yeah. |
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| Author: | PHATJ [ Fri September 15, 2017 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Daughter |
mikejasond wrote: The fact you guys think its so simple is just because it does what it does so dang WELL Dude, you live in bizarro world. Reality is that YOU think daughter is amazing because it is SIMPLE done WELL. Not the other way around. And like someone said before, I think it is the actual recording of the song that you are really most impressed with, you just don't realize it yet. |
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