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Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:26 pm
The Master
Joined: Sun May 25, 2014 9:32 pm Posts: 31614 Location: Garbage Dump
As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:30 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35480
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
Well said. It is rather trivial in the grand scene me. Just a show. Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
Well said. It is rather trivial in the grand scene me. Just a show. Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
I think it's also a valid point to argue that would they have even cancelled if Bruce had not?
Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:36 pm
RM Elitist
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 8:43 pm Posts: 9875
Honest question.. When's the last time PJ made a bold political action first rather than a week after it's been made by someone else and received well?
Post subject: Re: Will Pearl Jam Cancel Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:41 pm
The Master
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 4:18 am Posts: 28127
dimejinky99 wrote:
spike wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
Hand on my heart if the European tour that was to happen last summer took place and they boycotted Dublin cos Ireland didn't pass the marriage equality referendum, I'd have supported them. And they haven't been here in 6 years. Fair enough I travel to a few shows on the continent anyways but I'd have agreed with them boycotting here.
you wouldn't be upset if they cancelled one of the continent shows you flew to and booked a hotel for roughly 48 hours beforehand?
Nah we'd all go anyways. Huge PJ touring community where euro shows are more about hanging out together having not seen each other in a year or more. The shows are just a bonus.
Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:48 pm
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good job pj. nice to see them take a stand against SOMETHING. even if they are just following the pack. people unaffected by this ludicrous law aren't going to care until it affects them. now it does, even if only slightly. it all adds up.
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Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:50 pm
RM Elitist
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 8:43 pm Posts: 9875
WtOB? wrote:
good job pj. nice to see them take a stand against SOMETHING. even if they are just following the pack. people unaffected by this ludicrous law aren't going to care until it affects them. now it does, even if only slightly. it all adds up.
Based on a decade and a half of pearl jam message boarding. I bet at least 80% of those actually impacted by the cancellation agree the law is terrible.
Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:51 pm
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 39854
@SkitchP wrote:
Honest question.. When's the last time PJ made a bold political action first rather than a week after it's been made by someone else and received well?
They should schedule a tour for 2025 and cancel it to oppose Donald Trump
Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:53 pm
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 39854
@SkitchP wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
good job pj. nice to see them take a stand against SOMETHING. even if they are just following the pack. people unaffected by this ludicrous law aren't going to care until it affects them. now it does, even if only slightly. it all adds up.
Based on a decade and a half of pearl jam message boarding. I bet at least 80% of those actually impacted by the cancellation agree the law is terrible.
I bet 100% of people impacted by the law think it's terrible.
Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam Cancels Their NC Show?
Posted: Mon April 18, 2016 11:55 pm
10Club Complaint Department
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 15135
WtOB? wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
This is nonsense.
Was about to debate that then remembered how backward Australia is on marriage equality
that's because people like spenno keep voting for the old crusty white men and even crustier, older, whiter men coalition.
I wager most people are (sensibly) more concerned about issues such as the economy, national security, health and education than trendy causes like same sex marriage and so on.
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