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Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Tue April 25, 2017 5:23 pm
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Trag's post is excellent. I will never accept the Lost Dogs version of Drifting. It's an abomination.
Riot Act: Nothing remotely tricky about the mix on this record, but the mastery of the technique is impressive. This is a fabulous recording, and had it been done by T-Bone Burnett rather than Adam Kaspar, I suspect it would get a lot more attention in recording circles.
Listening to it on headphones or very loudly in a car is transcendental.
What happened to B'OB? PJ isn't the only band he's ruined records for over the last decade. How did he go from making some of the best records of the 20th Century to what he is now?
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Tue April 25, 2017 6:09 pm
Production Police
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47107 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
lowlight79 wrote:
Adam Kasper did a good job for them, They should go back to him if they ever out a new album.
Agreed 100%. Another Tchad Blake record could be amazing, and other producers could take them to some really interesting places (imagine Flood or Alan Moulder?!). But I think Kaspar is the most realistic best-case scenario for modern PJ.
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Tue April 25, 2017 9:37 pm
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Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 9:38 pm Posts: 15126
TremorJam wrote:
Riot Act: Nothing remotely tricky about the mix on this record, but the mastery of the technique is impressive. This is a fabulous recording, and had it been done by T-Bone Burnett rather than Adam Kaspar, I suspect it would get a lot more attention in recording circles.
Listening to it on headphones or very loudly in a car is transcendental.
What happened to B'OB?
I'll point out that BO'B mixed Riot Act, so he's at least partially responsible for the final sound of the album.
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Tue April 25, 2017 10:49 pm
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Joined: Fri March 31, 2017 7:05 pm Posts: 736 Location: In The Crevasse
Birds in Hell wrote:
TremorJam wrote:
Riot Act: Nothing remotely tricky about the mix on this record, but the mastery of the technique is impressive. This is a fabulous recording, and had it been done by T-Bone Burnett rather than Adam Kaspar, I suspect it would get a lot more attention in recording circles.
Listening to it on headphones or very loudly in a car is transcendental.
What happened to B'OB?
I'll point out that BO'B mixed Riot Act, so he's at least partially responsible for the final sound of the album.
That's what I'm talking about. He's made some of my favorite records or worked on a lot of them. I like the Ten remix, too. Just not the production on the last 2 albums. It sounded like there was almost too much going on at times.
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Wed April 26, 2017 5:55 pm
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I really can't fault B'OB's production on the last 2 albums, to be honest. A majority of the songs turned out pretty good. Getaway, Yellow Moon, Force Of Nature, etc. I don't like all the extra crap going on during Lightning Bolt, though. It's really the IDEA of them going backwards or not really spending a lot of time in the studio I find depressing. It was a total of what, 5-6 weeks studio time for both records?
It seems like they hit some roadblocks during the making of S/T and decided that they weren't going to overthink the writing process and have went for an easier approach with songwriting and recording. It also seems like they started paying more attention to sales as well. I really don't understand why they recorded the songs that ended up being played live in a flat tuning in standard tuning for the records, either.
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Thu April 27, 2017 5:35 pm
A Return To Form
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 9:44 pm Posts: 242
Good thoughts, guys.
I can't speak to specific recording techniques, but do recognize their mindset change post Riot Act: it seems they became more perfectionists when they were working on the greatest hits/Lost Dogs to "not have a hair out of place" on recordings and did away with the found sounds, coarseness, and spontaneity from everything before that. I remember an article from Matt saying "this is our anti-Pro Tools record" and thought, yeah, that's exactly where I want this band to go. Sadly, they chose the opposite direction and it seems more and more that it is Ed and the producer in a room flipping elements around and inserting better takes into an unnatural frankensong.
Recording is probably done the same way it always has, but with fewer full band takes. Listen to Riot Act on vinyl, it sounds phenomenal. Listen to Binaural with headphones - it's excellent. Avocado sounds like band takes but it's compressed to ear pain. The last two are so crisp it hardly sounds like anything was recorded in the same room.
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Thu April 27, 2017 5:52 pm
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It would have been interesting to hear a band produced Yield(or was it No Code?) but O'Brien talked them out of it. The vocals are a little high in the mix on that album but obv. still great overall.
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Thu April 27, 2017 6:27 pm
Production Police
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47107 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
BOB is the producer on both No Code and Yield...But No Code was cobbled together from many different sessions across the country, while touring; Yield was a "hunker down in the studio" type of record.
Post subject: Re: Production / Recording / Mixing / Mastering
Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:44 pm
Production Police
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47107 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
RIP MP3. I knew about Tom's Diner being used as a primary reference during the development of the mp3, but the embedded video of all the information that was lost in the encoding is new (and fascinating) to me:
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