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which is not to say I hate BS (I don't), just that "what's good live" doesn't matter a fig to me anymore and Gigaton left me hungry for more PJ that sounds good when I play it at home
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Ms Harmless wrote:
96583UP wrote:
hot take: Josh Evans did great work but the back 2/3 of the album is not playable live
doesn't define a good album
agree
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Coach wrote:
Maybe poster is saying that the back half of the album aren't good songs and therefore we don't want to hear those songs live or in a show?
was more a comment on Josh Evans' album work making the songs sound good, but perhaps too good, because the band can't do them that way live
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Farmer John wrote:
The bass part in Take the Long Way is definitely not playable live.
john cage can do it
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I will continue to seize just about every chance I have to see this band live, especially knowing that those opportunities are dwindling. But at this point I don't care one bit about new studio stuff translating well to a live setting. The days of the epic 3+ hours shows are mostly, if not entirely, gone. Ed's voice can't do what it used to do, and those shortcomings are most apparent at a show.
Gigaton is a studio-based treasure, and if they can somehow crank out another one of similar quality, I would take it in a heartbeat even if exactly zero of the songs held up on stage.
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Coach wrote:
96583UP wrote:
Coach wrote:
Maybe poster is saying that the back half of the album aren't good songs and therefore we don't want to hear those songs live or in a show?
was more a comment on Josh Evans' album work making the songs sound good, but perhaps too good, because the band can't do them that way live
oh gotcha
but i also don't want to hear them live
only the first 4 are canon
the rest are irrelevant
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Jaeti wrote:
I will continue to seize just about every chance I have to see this band live, especially knowing that those opportunities are dwindling. But at this point I don't care one bit about new studio stuff translating well to a live setting. The days of the epic 3+ hours shows are mostly, if not entirely, gone. Ed's voice can't do what it used to do, and those shortcomings are most apparent at a show.
Gigaton is a studio-based treasure, and if they can somehow crank out another one of similar quality, I would take it in a heartbeat even if exactly zero of the songs held up on stage.
yep
and I just think that they don't play *any* of their material live as well as they did when they were younger, so why not go to town in studio? a different producer might have saved Lightning Bolt
Pearl Jam has always been a studio band for me. Because it was so difficult to see them for that first decade. The live stuff is amazing and I'll see them as long as they want to tour. I won't take it for granted. But to me, it's all about the studio work. On that score, Gigaton is a gem.
I saw them this past September and they didn't even play Dance and I was totally okay with it. They played QE, WES, and 7OC. All great versions. But not at all the point of the show, if you know what I mean.
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epilogue wrote:
Pearl Jam has always been a studio band for me.
this is why their low points were so low for me, the bar was raised so high at one point and I couldn't just be like "oh well I'm seeing them 37 times this August" or whatever
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