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 Post subject: Re: Lets Actually Listen to the Album: Yield
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Yes, welcome to networking in one of the coolest fucking jobs anyone could ever want. Don't be scared...dig around in there, I bet you'll be entertained.


what job?

One that allows me to listen to unreleased music all day, get paid to interview my heroes, go to shows & movie screenings (Terminator tonight, hell yes), as well as fly to the Philippines on a scuba/snorkel expedition with MalibuRum/ReefCheck, which is happening at the end of the month. On top of all that, half a million people read what I write every single day.

I busted my ass to get here, and I'd say it's a pretty fuckin' awesome job.

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This guy sounds like a character from one of his movies.

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*Crippled* with jealousy.

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C'mon, Stip writes nothing like that guy. That review reads like an excerpt from a Sylvia Browne book with a few random Pearl Jam song titles thrown in--take them out and there's virtually nothing in there to indicate that he's even talking about a rock album. Stip's writing is nowhere near that incomprehensible, it only seems that way because his opinions so often are.



My ability to tell the difference between good reviews and bad isn't particularly sharp. That defect is all mine. I don't often read an album review or song description and think that guy gets it cause I tend not to have any understanding of why I like a song in a way that I could put into words. I just like it or don't. I'm pretty dumb.


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"It's like. You've got love, right? And it's, umm, there's like, different kinds. And as you, umm, grow up, umm, they get more intense. Like how when you're driving you shift gears, right? And like, maybe the first gear is how you love your parents when you're like a kid. And then when you get older it's your friends, that's second gear. And then you get, like, married, and that's like third gear, and you think that's the highest gear of love, right, umm, till you have kids, and that's fourth gear. And umm, fourth gear is like really intense, and you think that's the highest gear, or at least I did. But then I found a fifth gear. And that fifth gear is the love of surfing naked on a board made of endangered animals in a private body of water owned by the Oracle Corporation and filled with the tears of starving third world children while you're completely fucked out of your mind on a drug that the US government secretly designed for only the richest human beings on the plant. And it's amazing."

-Ed, 2025


"What was great about Love in Fifth Gear, was that we didn't feel limited by any agenda in the studio. We just got together, on three non-consecutive days, spread out over a 6 year period; and at our age, although there were frequent bathroom breaks, due to our failing prostates, the only other primary thing that was uncontrollably flowing, was the pure creative energy of the Late Show with Jonah Hill house band ghostwriting all of the music for us, based on vague descriptions of ideas about music posted by the 10C marketing team on our PJ Facebook page. That freed me up in particular to focus on stealing Jeff's meds, as at his age he is essentially senile, and then engaging in elder abuse against a defenseless Jeff, whom I have hated for so, so long, for always standing there with his interesting hats, quietly embodying the values that I have loudly advertised as espousing, persistently reminding me through his mere existence of my contrived attempt to hide my degrading value system through a manufactured idealist persona. Well, take that Jeff - you're caretaker Julio is nowhere to be seen, and no one will ever believe that I snorted your meds, turned your wheelchair facing the corner of the studio control room, and deleted all your song ideas while Brendan O'Brien's bratty nephew Codey and I repeatedly jumped up and down beating our chests like a rabid chimpanzees in a display of alpha authority. That energy is reflected in the album art of Love in the Fifth Gear, which was developed through a painstakingly standard outsourced RFP process based solely on the names of the songs ultimately selected by the management of the Apollo Group, the private equity powerhouse that purchased the 10C in 2022 due to its steady membership and merch revenue streams, and the relative inelasticity in the response of its members to the production of increasingly banal crap. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a 11:00 am champagne brunch scheduled with Rupert Murdoch's head in a jar at the Unicorn breeding facility near the US embassy in Bahrain, and I simply must catch my un-manned aerial stealth vehicle launch or the Olson twins will get grumpy. PS I would rather starve than eat your non-truffle oil bread. Go Cubs."

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I just listened all the way through this album for the first time in years, this time on vinyl and with a good sound system. I have to say, it's leaps and bounds better than I gave it credit for. A bunch of 4 star and 5 star tracks. I used to think I really disliked Push Me Pull Me. Hearing it with good headphones at loud volume- damn, that's a great track! This album was near the bottom of my list before, and I think it's probably in the top 3 or 4 now. Only bummer is that I miss Hummus.


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Although it’s an enjoyable album, Yield felt like a step backward to me. PJ had put together the back-to-back classics, each one upping on the ante on the previous work, each one essential, each one doing something different, each one expanding the band’s sonic palette and musical vocabulary. After right-sizing its audience and reconnecting with their humanity on No Code, PJ seemed to blink on Yield and question whether or not they had done the right thing. The title pretty much stated outright that they were throwing in the towel on a lot of their earlier fights and stances. This is a mature position to be sure, but one that continues to spark debate. Although they would go on to make two more brilliant records, Yield was the first (ever) indication that PJ was at least one-part sellout.

It was also released at an interesting time and I think this context is important. The whole world was different in the two years since No Code. The biggest change was the rise in the Internet, which was now part of people’s lives in a way that it hadn’t been even two years prior. And with the Internet, an explosion of technology that changed the entire world: everything from personal computers to software to DVD players to digital movie cameras. This was just the beginning of a huge tipping point, and it’s easier to see looking back, but the change was well underway. For the first time in several generations, music was not THE thing. It was still A thing, but not THE thing. Music was competing with all sorts of shiny new toys; those toys were harkened to a bright, energetic, digital future in a way that Yield, with its patent Zeppelin ripoffs and resigned aura, did not.

There was also a big change in music coinciding with all of this. In 1996, PJ was still an important band, one that was an integral part of the dialogue of the day. Just two years later, this was no longer the case. PJ was still a great band, but they no longer felt essential in the way they had previously. In part, this is just the natural change in pop culture tides. Grunge as a “thing” had had its moment, and died along with most of the big grunge bands: Nirvana, Alice, and Soundgarden all fizzled out, leaving PJ as the last of the big four standing. Once part of a larger collective, a movement, they were now the last guy at the party, not always an enviable position. Grunge gave way to a bunch of mediocre-to-bad imitators (STP, Creed, Bush), boys bands, and pop. The music that truly felt essential at the time was rap, namely the works of Tupac and Biggie. Say what you will, but Tupac’s 1996 masterpiece, “All Eyez On Me,” was essential and influential and in dialogue with larger culture in a way that “Yield” was not. Bubbling and brewing for nearly two decades, rap was about to take its ascendancy as the popular youth music of the day, again a huge change from the grunge era only a few years prior.

In the spring of 1999, I went backpacking through Europe for the second time. This being 1999, I took a Walkman and something like four cassettes. Two of the cassettes were instantly eaten, leaving me with only two, a mixtape and a cassette that had R.EM.’s “Up” on one side and Liz Phair’s “Whitechocolatespacegg” on the other. These were artists who were in my wheelhouse, but whose recent works were unfamiliar. I was planning to give these albums a listen while in Europe. Turns out, I listened to both records about a million times on that trip. While “Up” had originally struck me an impenetrable, I slowly discovered its genius on that trip – it continues to resonate as one of my all-time favorite albums from R.E.M., who have no shortage of amazing records. Liz Phair had sort of come and gone, so it’s too bad that “Whitechocolate” never got its due. It’s one of my favorite records of all time and so criminally underrated it’s almost beyond belief. My point? These were two once-popular artists whose latest albums, both released the same year as Yield, were ambitious and artistically challenging in ways that Yield was not. Rather than trying to regain their previous glory, these artists decided to pursue their muses and let their sense of artistry guide them. Phair produced her best record ever, and R.E.M. made one of its strangest, densest, and ultimately, most rewarding albums. Neither sold a lot of copies, probably not nearly as many as Yield combined. But both records continue to resonate with me in ways that Yield never did. But enough of my yakking, let’s actually listen to the damn thing and see what there is to discover all these years later.

Brain of J – After the brilliant left turn of “Sometimes,” this felt obvious to me, a retreat back to the all-out rocker openings of the first three albums. It’s closest to “Last Exit,” in terms of vibe and production, but it’s not nearly as good a song. A big change on Yield was that Vedder stopped writing about himself and started writing about Society with a capital S. This song is a perfect example of that. Yeah, he had done that before, but there was just something different with the Yield songs. I like the solo, and the drum sound is awesome. They would never have a better drummer than Dave, but Jack added something in his own way. Good riff, too, but overall just a lesser start than the first four records. I like the overeager “1,2,3,4,” apology, and then slightly slower count that starts it. Nice touch to leave that in. The song sort of goes downhill from there.

Faithfull – I like this song, but this seemed like an obvious return to the big chorus, big production, singalong rawk of “Ten.” I didn’t like “Ten” then and I don’t like it now. “Faithfull” is better than, I don’t know, fucking “Jeremy” or some garbage like that, but aspiring to something along those lines. I really like the little musical moments after the chorus about two minutes in. Not really a solo, but the band sounds great together. I like this song, really, but when I see PJ’s sheep/audience bleeting along to it in concert, I cyinically think it was written basically for that reason and that reason alone. “You are a furry thing.” That’s a nice line.

No Way – Now this is more like it. Great riff, a nice sense of tension, a wonderful performance from Vedder, fantastic lyrics. Not only does this hold up, it’s better than ever. “I just wa-ah-ant someone to be there for” just before the two minute mark. Wow! As for the double negative chorus, I didn’t originally hear it the way I think I’ve read it was supposed to be taken – that there was no way Vedder was going to stop trying to make a difference. Instead, I took it as Vedder basically saying I’m not going to try to make a difference anymore, meaning be political, fight Ticketmaster, not make videos, turn their back on the industry, etc. That he was done with that and there was NO WAY he was going to pick up the gloves and fight again. No way, he was done. Sort of the message from the Beatles’ “Revolution,” and very much the theme of Yield. Great song, fantastic! What does “Let’s call it an angel” mean, anyway?

Given to Fly – Let the flames begin. This, to me, was the first time I lost respect for PJ, although it would hardly be the last. I’m sorry, but this is just a blatant ripoff of Led Zeppelin and to say anything else is insane. No, it was not “influenced” by Led Zeppelin, it is a direct and complete ripoff. This would be an open and shut case had Zep chosen to sue for plagiarism. And I’m sorry, but I didn’t like Creed’s shitty ripoffs of PJ and I don’t like PJ’s shitty ripoffs of Zeppelin. Yes, it’s a great song live. And it better be because it’s right up there with Alive and Even Flow for piss-break, every-fucking-show-without-fail setlist appearances. And I do like the build and I do like Vedder’s vocal performance, but I just can’t get past the fact that they’re stealing another band’s song and calling it their own. Listening now doesn’t change my opinion. It sounds overproduced, too, a la “Ten.” It’s one of my least favorite PJ songs. The chorus’ lyrics sound like something Iron Maiden would write. God this is awful. Note that on the line “And he still gives his love, he just gives it a-WHEY” we see an early appearance of Vedder’s latter day shitty singing style. I’m glad that’s over.

Wishlist – No wait, come back “Given to Fly!” All is forgiven! I hate this song, too sorry folks. Some of the worst, most trite lyrics in Vedder’s oeuvre. Hated it then, hate it now. Listening today, the music is really just nothing special at all. Very overproduced. Nice bassline, I supposed. What are those big wooshing sounds in the middle of the second verse? A nice little solo, I guess. This song is just so commercial and sing-songy and lyrically weak. This is my least favorite song on Yield and one of my all-time least favorite songs from PJ, mainly because people seem to like it so much. I have no idea why. To me, this is the type of song that Vitalogy-era Vedder would have taken a piss on. And then screamed

Pilate – This was the first appearance of what would become a standard PJ trope: The pretty good song with the shitty, where-the-fuck-did-THAT-come-from chorus. My thoughts listening don’t change. I guess the one thing I can say is that this is clearly not trying to be commercial. But I have not idea what it’s trying to be. It really is like they had two songs and slapped them together without much thought. If this is really about a dog (obeys, listens, kisses, loves) it’s even worse than one might imagine. I do get a kick out of the hardcore fans trying jam along to this one live. It’s just not a song that works in any way. Should have been a lost dog from Lost Dogs.

Do the Evolution – Another decent rocker that’s just not as good as the one’s found on the previous three records. Another concert favorite that brings out the apelike mook PJ fans in full effect. “Animal” hinted at similar themes but was so much better. Listening today, the best part is whichever guitarist is in my right ear on headphones, adding those nice little flourishes. Not sure which one that is, but they’re the VIP of the song, all the way. This was their first video since “Ten,” yes? Yield indeed. Another song that’s been ruined by being played at every fucking show ever. It’s not that great, guys, sorry.

Red Dot – Again, it sounds like familiar Vitalogy territory with the experimental, percussion-driven tune. But those experiments felt like an important part of the larger whole. Red Dot just seems try hard and stupid. A textbook example of cutting room floor material.

MFC – A lesser Rearviewmirror, one with similar imagery but none of the anger. A decent tune, but feels like a retread. Listening today, I like it. The drums are great and I like the guitars. A nice solo, too. This is good, would like to hear it more often in concert. Short, too. Two and a half minutes.

Low Light – I’ve always had a fondness for this song, even though it’s a pretty big-chorus, commercial tune. Love the lyrics; really nice images. Is that an organ or something in there? Can’t tell. Oh yeah, I def hear piano. I’m glad this song got a lot of play on the recent tour. It deserves to be aired on more often. Nice little jam at the end. The drums are great, too. Great song. The piano and (I think) organ really work wonders here.

In Hiding – To me, this is a companion piece to Faithfull. Not sure why, they just seem like birds of a feather. This is another big-chorus, heavily produced, commercially sounding song. Worst lyric: “I swallow my face just to keep from biting.” First chorus, second one: “I’m in Hu-WHY-den.” This is a pretty interesting idea for a song ensconced in a song that, in actuality, fails to deliver on that idea. That said, it’s okay. The little guitar refrains sound almost like GTF. Production wise, this, GTF, and Faithfull all sound very similar.

Push Me, Pull Me – I like the rolling bass line. Again, this sounds like a band trying really really hard to be experimental and weird. It doesn’t sound natural; it sounds forced and try hard. Worst lyric: “I’m like an opening band for the sun.” Wow, dude, deep. Or not. This is okay, but you don’t hear this and wonder what the band was thinking. You know exactly what they were thinking: calculated weirdness.

All Those Yesterdays – And because this is a paint-by-the-numbers PJ album, we have to have the reflective ballad to close the proceedings. But this is a really wonderful song. What a great bass line. This song has been played 16 times live. Compare that to DTE or GTF – sometimes these guys just have no clue as to their best material. “It’s no crime to escape” seems to be one of the big themes of Yield, meaning escape the corner PJ had painted itself into. Put another way, it’s no crime to sell out, to make money, and to have fun instead of being big sourpusses. We can yield and put all those yesterdays behind us. I don’t say that facetiously. I’m not one of those people that thinks PJ should be the same band they were 20 years ago. They’re not. And here’s where modern-day PJ was born, although it’s really just the earliest signs of what they’ve become, rather than a sea change.

Hummus – The album should have ended with ATY. Anyone who’s mad at them for putting an avocado on an album cover should be glad they didn’t opt for a chick pea. Yeah, this is more cutting-room floor material. Nonessential and try hard. All Those Yesterdays is the proper ending. I must say, however, that there’s something rather endearing about these little sonic slices. You’re certainly not going to find them putting something like this on a neo PJ record, and in some ways that’s too bad.

PJ has a classic string of albums, from Vs. to Riot Act, that's pretty hard to beat. Yield is the one album out of those that I really don't like all that much. The most popular songs on it (GTF, DTE, Wishlist) are some of my least favorite PJ songs on any record they've put out. There are a couple of half-baked big-chorus tunes (Faithfull, In Hiding), and plethora of try-hard "experiments" that go nowhere and add nothing to album as a collective whole. The few songs that I love (No Way, All Those Yesterdays) are songs that PJ seems embarrassed to have written. I'd put Yield at the bottom of the band's classic material, which means that it's still better than Ten, or anything post-Riot Act. Just my opinion, folks, I know for many fans, it's the band's best album.


I think this is the most cynical thing I've ever read.


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I think this is the most cynical thing I've ever read.


PryTo? More like CryTo.

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Because I'm a hopeless dumbass, I've decided to go after some factual errors and issues I have with this pile...

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After right-sizing its audience and reconnecting with their humanity on No Code


What does that even mean?

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The title pretty much stated outright that they were throwing in the towel on a lot of their earlier fights and stances


Right, because that's the only meaning that can be derived from the use of that word.

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Yield was the first (ever) indication that PJ was at least one-part sellout.


I'd say the first ever indication was their initial record deal for Ten.

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For the first time in several generations, music was not THE thing.


The internet did not kill music. This is a bizarre fantasy.

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The music that truly felt essential at the time was rap, namely the works of Tupac and Biggie. Say what you will, but Tupac’s 1996 masterpiece, “All Eyez On Me,” was essential and influential and in dialogue with larger culture in a way that “Yield” was not.


Not if you're not a rap fan.

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I didn’t like “Ten” then and I don’t like it now.


You see, there's your problem right there. I know many PJ fans don't put Ten at the top of their list, but I can't imagine a Pearl Jam fan that just doesn't like that album. Or at least, I couldn't until now. It still seems like a broken concept though.

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“Faithfull” is better than, I don’t know, fucking “Jeremy” or some garbage like that, but aspiring to something along those lines.


You're a hipster who only likes things if they're not popular, aren't you? Ah, now that line you said about "right sizing their audience" makes sense. Got it.

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I like this song, really, but when I see PJ’s sheep/audience bleeting along to it in concert, I cyinically think it was written basically for that reason and that reason alone


Cynics never admit to being cynics, so it was clever of you to avoid that on the technicality of bad spelling.

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No Way – Now this is more like it. Great riff, a nice sense of tension, a wonderful performance from Vedder, fantastic lyrics. Not only does this hold up, it’s better than ever. “I just wa-ah-ant someone to be there for” just before the two minute mark. Wow! As for the double negative chorus, I didn’t originally hear it the way I think I’ve read it was supposed to be taken – that there was no way Vedder was going to stop trying to make a difference. Instead, I took it as Vedder basically saying I’m not going to try to make a difference anymore, meaning be political, fight Ticketmaster, not make videos, turn their back on the industry, etc. That he was done with that and there was NO WAY he was going to pick up the gloves and fight again. No way, he was done. Sort of the message from the Beatles’ “Revolution,” and very much the theme of Yield.


You do realize that the lyrics were written by Stone, right?

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What does “Let’s call it an angel” mean, anyway?


It's "Let's call in an angel"

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No, it was not “influenced” by Led Zeppelin, it is a direct and complete ripoff.


You are objectively wrong. A direct and complete ripoff = Vanilla Ice. This is influence pure and simple. You could call it a tribute, you could call it riding on their coattails, but you can't call it the same thing as what Vanilla Ice did.

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This would be an open and shut case had Zep chosen to sue for plagiarism.


Not remotely. Chord progressions are not copyrightable. Many, many songs share them.

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This is my least favorite song on Yield and one of my all-time least favorite songs from PJ, mainly because people seem to like it so much.


Nailed it.

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Push Me, Pull Me – I like the rolling bass line. Again, this sounds like a band trying really really hard to be experimental and weird. It doesn’t sound natural; it sounds forced and try hard. Worst lyric: “I’m like an opening band for the sun.” Wow, dude, deep. Or not. This is okay, but you don’t hear this and wonder what the band was thinking. You know exactly what they were thinking: calculated weirdness.


What is the recording process for any band if it's not some sort of "calculated weirdness"? It's not like people just eat magical fruits and poop out fully formed masterpieces.

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Put another way, it’s no crime to sell out, to make money, and to have fun instead of being big sourpusses. We can yield and put all those yesterdays behind us. I don’t say that facetiously.


Really? You've made it quite clear with numerous statements that you do feel that it is a crime to sell out.

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Hummus – The album should have ended with ATY. Anyone who’s mad at them for putting an avocado on an album cover should be glad they didn’t opt for a chick pea. Yeah, this is more cutting-room floor material. Nonessential and try hard. All Those Yesterdays is the proper ending. I must say, however, that there’s something rather endearing about these little sonic slices. You’re certainly not going to find them putting something like this on a neo PJ record, and in some ways that’s too bad.


That's the second time you've hit a song with your verb-turned-adjective "try hard". Again, I think you must subscribe to some sort of Yoda purity doctrine. The fact is, I want my favorite musicians to try hard. Also, you've called it nonessential and gone off on it, and then you say it's too bad that they don't do stuff like that anymore. You're a confused weirdo.

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PJ has a classic string of albums, from Vs. to Riot Act, that's pretty hard to beat. Yield is the one album out of those that I really don't like all that much.


Ten is popular in the mainstream, so you don't like it. Yield is popular among the hardcore fans, so you don't like it. There's a chink in your armor though- if you really want to go against the grain, you should work on loving the post-2003 material. That would make you a unique and special snowflake.

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Just my opinion, folks, I know for many fans, it's the band's best album.


Case closed.

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aurynsdad's is right, guys.

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aurynsdad's is right, guys.


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