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Author:  Val [ Wed March 27, 2024 2:58 pm ]
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tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music

Which absolutely not self-evident because by all means this approach should be yielding the opposite result
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:01 pm ]
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Val wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music

Which absolutely not self-evident because by all means this approach should be yielding the opposite result

I honestly think Ed’s idea of a great PJ record is very different than mine. Bummer for me!
Author:  stip [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:05 pm ]
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lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?


this feels accurate

and fortunately for me, my tastes in this period have been pretty aligned with what they want to do
Author:  Ms Harmless [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:09 pm ]
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I think you're probably right, lvc

whole lotta delegatin' goin' on

it doesn't bother me too much anymore, I accept diminishing returns after so many years; as long as I don't hate the music (and I don't, mostly)
Author:  VinylGuy [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:13 pm ]
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I only wished they release more studio albums. Thats it.

And im glad LB seems to be a distant memory.
Author:  stip [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music


I can see why this might lead to shitty business decisions, but why would it lead to shitty music? Negotiating curfew rates and vendor placement leads to artistic inspiration?
Author:  stip [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:14 pm ]
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VinylGuy wrote:
I only wished they release more studio albums. Thats it.

And im glad LB seems to be a distant memory.

that LB-gigaton gap was insane
Author:  VinylGuy [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:19 pm ]
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stip wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
I only wished they release more studio albums. Thats it.

And im glad LB seems to be a distant memory.

that LB-gigaton gap was insane


yeah, totally. It helped that they toured a lot, but it was very hard that they didnt seemed to be actually doing stuff on the studio. It was such a surprise to know about Gigaton and how they did it.

Thats why maybe they seem so happy with the new album and the approach to make it, and the fact that it was recorded on Shangri La its a very good sign of the place the band is right now.
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
stip wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music


I can see why this might lead to shitty business decisions, but why would it lead to shitty music? Negotiating curfew rates and vendor placement leads to artistic inspiration?

Detachment from the struggle > created shitty art. It’s not absolute but it’s a pretty common phenomenon
Author:  Ms Harmless [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
stip wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music


I can see why this might lead to shitty business decisions, but why would it lead to shitty music? Negotiating curfew rates and vendor placement leads to artistic inspiration?


well, once the music is played and recorded, it could be that they're just giving up mixing / mastering etc. to the people they've chosen, without listening to it first and OK-ing it after a few edits, like a younger band with more to prove might; it could be that after playing the songs, they don't see the record until it's in their hands
Author:  Val [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
tragabigzanda wrote:
stip wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music


I can see why this might lead to shitty business decisions, but why would it lead to shitty music? Negotiating curfew rates and vendor placement leads to artistic inspiration?

Detachment from the struggle > created shitty art. It’s not absolute but it’s a pretty common phenomenon

That's not struggle, those are pretty mundane tasks.
I'm sure great art is triggered by things a lot more inspiring than bookkeeping, procurements, mergers and acquisitions (unless you're a phsycho)
Author:  Ms Harmless [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Ms Harmless wrote:
stip wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music


I can see why this might lead to shitty business decisions, but why would it lead to shitty music? Negotiating curfew rates and vendor placement leads to artistic inspiration?


well, once the music is played and recorded, it could be that they're just giving up mixing / mastering etc. to the people they've chosen, without listening to it first and OK-ing it after a few edits, like a younger band with more to prove might; it could be that after playing the songs, they don't see the record until it's in their hands


I've recorded two EPs with my band years ago, and both times we were in the room while it was being engineered and also had versions of the finished product played to us until we were totally happy
Author:  Val [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Ms Harmless wrote:
I've recorded two EPs with my band years ago, and both times we were in the room while it was being engineered and also had versions of the finished product played to us until we were totally happy

Can we listen to them?
Author:  Ms Harmless [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:25 pm ]
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Val wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
I've recorded two EPs with my band years ago, and both times we were in the room while it was being engineered and also had versions of the finished product played to us until we were totally happy

Can we listen to them?


haha I don't think so
Author:  oneway23 [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Val wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
I've recorded two EPs with my band years ago, and both times we were in the room while it was being engineered and also had versions of the finished product played to us until we were totally happy

Can we listen to them?
Author:  tragabigzanda [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Val wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
stip wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music


I can see why this might lead to shitty business decisions, but why would it lead to shitty music? Negotiating curfew rates and vendor placement leads to artistic inspiration?

Detachment from the struggle > created shitty art. It’s not absolute but it’s a pretty common phenomenon

That's not struggle, those are pretty mundane tasks.
I'm sure great art is triggered by things a lot more inspiring than bookkeeping, procurements, mergers and acquisitions (unless you're a phsycho)

No doubt, but their ability to disengage (in favor, hypothetically, of spending time with their families) is representative of their comfort
Author:  stip [ Wed March 27, 2024 3:57 pm ]
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which they had the financial wherewithal to do for every album
since Ten
Author:  lvc [ Wed March 27, 2024 4:10 pm ]
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stip wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?


this feels accurate

and fortunately for me, my tastes in this period have been pretty aligned with what they want to do


I agree. I've never hated much (except Future Days which I didn't even import to iTunes after I got the CD. Lightning Bolt ends with Yellow Moon.) I can't afford to go to concerts any more, so Pearl Jam will always be a life-changing band that I'm interested in enough to buy the next record and see what they're up to. They already changed my life once, I can free them from needing to do it again.
Author:  lvc [ Wed March 27, 2024 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Val wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
stip wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?

I’m personally not disputing any of this, only that this process leads to shitty music


I can see why this might lead to shitty business decisions, but why would it lead to shitty music? Negotiating curfew rates and vendor placement leads to artistic inspiration?

Detachment from the struggle > created shitty art. It’s not absolute but it’s a pretty common phenomenon

That's not struggle, those are pretty mundane tasks.
I'm sure great art is triggered by things a lot more inspiring than bookkeeping, procurements, mergers and acquisitions (unless you're a phsycho)


Hey, I think you could make a pretty interesting novel out of the development of current accounting standards because it perfectly aligns with the development of corruption. But maybe I am a psycho. I think I need to think that over.
Author:  Ms Harmless [ Wed March 27, 2024 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
lvc wrote:
stip wrote:
lvc wrote:
I was reading through this and I just want to say the members of Pearl Jam have enough personal wealth that they probably make far more from leveraging their existing wealth than anything they do artistically.

What if they made the records they made because those were the records they wanted to make? And what if they surrendered the business side to business people so they wouldn't have to make all those decisions (and go to all the damned meetings to form the committees needed to examine the white papers on the various choices in order to draft a proposal to the regional manager of procurement in order to get the ball rolling on planning the rollout of the next record) because they'd rather be surfing or taking their kids to the zoo in Lisbon or whatever?


this feels accurate

and fortunately for me, my tastes in this period have been pretty aligned with what they want to do


I agree. I've never hated much (except Future Days which I didn't even import to iTunes after I got the CD. Lightning Bolt ends with Yellow Moon.) I can't afford to go to concerts any more, so Pearl Jam will always be a life-changing band that I'm interested in enough to buy the next record and see what they're up to. They already changed my life once, I can free them from needing to do it again.


that's well put and I agree; they were my favourite band for 7 albums, and now they aren't, but they were with me for long enough that they still matter and I'll still appreciate as much as I can; I'm polybandarous now
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