Fri December 27, 2013 6:42 pm
spike wrote:what's the consensus on betterman's conceptual purpose within this album? is it just eddie tracing his adult problems back to a troubled youth?
Fri December 27, 2013 8:19 pm
McParadigm wrote:Also, if you gut stupidmop then Vitalogy sounds like an album about collapse where the closest the band came to actual collapse was an accordian joke and some cool guitar sounds tagged on to the end of Not for You. It kind of makes the whole record feel like it's all posture, or maybe just playing pretend.
Fri December 27, 2013 8:25 pm
Kevin Davis wrote:McParadigm wrote:Also, if you gut stupidmop then Vitalogy sounds like an album about collapse where the closest the band came to actual collapse was an accordian joke and some cool guitar sounds tagged on to the end of Not for You. It kind of makes the whole record feel like it's all posture, or maybe just playing pretend.
I'm not sure I agree that the inclusion of a rather unremarkable art school sound collage with some voice-overs about sex and spankings makes the record feel less like posturing.
End with "Immortality." Fuck the concept.
Fri December 27, 2013 8:28 pm
Fri December 27, 2013 8:41 pm
Lament wrote:I have no problem with people saying "I never listen to Stupid Mop," but that's an entirely different sentiment than "The album ends with Immortality." But then again, it's no sillier than "retracking" albums.
Fri December 27, 2013 8:43 pm
Lament wrote:I have no problem with people saying "I never listen to Stupid Mop," but that's an entirely different sentiment than "The album ends with Immortality." But then again, it's no sillier than "retracking" albums.
Fri December 27, 2013 8:43 pm
Kevin Davis wrote:McParadigm wrote:Also, if you gut stupidmop then Vitalogy sounds like an album about collapse where the closest the band came to actual collapse was an accordian joke and some cool guitar sounds tagged on to the end of Not for You. It kind of makes the whole record feel like it's all posture, or maybe just playing pretend.
I'm not sure I agree that the inclusion of a rather unremarkable art school sound collage with some voice-overs about sex and spankings makes the record feel less like posturing.
End with "Immortality." Fuck the concept.
Fri December 27, 2013 9:09 pm
Fri December 27, 2013 9:20 pm
Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, I think Stupid Mop is terrible and never listen to it, but I think it's unarguably the final song of the record.
If you're assessing the relative worth record as a whole, I think it's absurd to pretend like the almost eight-minute final track doesn't exist - "nope, album ends with Immortality, best album ever!"
Fri December 27, 2013 9:21 pm
Fri December 27, 2013 9:21 pm
Alex wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, I think Stupid Mop is terrible and never listen to it, but I think it's unarguably the final song of the record.
If you're assessing the relative worth record as a whole, I think it's absurd to pretend like the almost eight-minute final track doesn't exist - "nope, album ends with Immortality, best album ever!"
i love stupid mop
Fri December 27, 2013 9:33 pm
Birds in Hell wrote:Alex wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, I think Stupid Mop is terrible and never listen to it, but I think it's unarguably the final song of the record.
If you're assessing the relative worth record as a whole, I think it's absurd to pretend like the almost eight-minute final track doesn't exist - "nope, album ends with Immortality, best album ever!"
i love stupid mop
Well, it's probably better than that Sleigh Bells song.
Fri December 27, 2013 9:34 pm
Fri December 27, 2013 9:35 pm
harmless wrote:Stupid Mop is definitely not as good as LTRP!
Fri December 27, 2013 9:40 pm
Fri December 27, 2013 9:41 pm
stip wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:Though we generally cringe at "Grunge", with Vitalogy, In Utero, Superunknown and AiC's general sound by 1994, I think you could argue that Grunge could be considered its own subgenre by that time.
Nirvana got sludgier, PJ got punkier and Soundgarden and Alice moved away from the metal. Originally coming from different backgrounds, they all seemed to move toward each other to some degree by 1994. I wonder how conscious it was.
I don't know how conscious it was, but there certainly seemed to be a recognizable sound at thus point. The screaming trees certainly move in the same direction, and second gen bands like bush and sponge are definitely apeing a discernible style
Fri December 27, 2013 9:41 pm
Alex wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Alex wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, I think Stupid Mop is terrible and never listen to it, but I think it's unarguably the final song of the record.
If you're assessing the relative worth record as a whole, I think it's absurd to pretend like the almost eight-minute final track doesn't exist - "nope, album ends with Immortality, best album ever!"
i love stupid mop
Well, it's probably better than that Sleigh Bells song.
i knew i should have played it safe with soundgarden rarities and PJ side project tracks to appease your unsophisticated, bogan tastes
Fri December 27, 2013 9:41 pm
harmless wrote:and the discordant, ill-fitting intro to Betterman which sounds like an addition tagged on to make it less poppy. (Which makes it an interesting antithesis to the piano on Future Days.)
Fri December 27, 2013 9:51 pm
Birds in Hell wrote:Alex wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Alex wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, I think Stupid Mop is terrible and never listen to it, but I think it's unarguably the final song of the record.
If you're assessing the relative worth record as a whole, I think it's absurd to pretend like the almost eight-minute final track doesn't exist - "nope, album ends with Immortality, best album ever!"
i love stupid mop
Well, it's probably better than that Sleigh Bells song.
i knew i should have played it safe with soundgarden rarities and PJ side project tracks to appease your unsophisticated, bogan tastes
Fri December 27, 2013 9:54 pm
Birds in Hell wrote:Yeah, I think Stupid Mop is terrible and never listen to it, but I think it's unarguably the final song of the record.
If you're assessing the relative worth record as a whole, I think it's absurd to pretend like the almost eight-minute final track doesn't exist - "nope, album ends with Immortality, best album ever!"