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Post subject: Re: Lost Dogs: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu November 16, 2023 9:07 pm
tl;dr
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 6:06 pm Posts: 8568
Ms Harmless wrote:
a few of those are in 6/8 but not strictly waltzes to me, which are made waltzes by particular emphasis on the 3 and 6 of each bar (in this case on that phat snare)
1-2-*3* ooon the
4-5-*6* eeeedge
1-2-*3* wiiiindow
4-5-*6* siiiill etc.
on a straight 6/8 groove you'd have one snare on each 4th beat
So like "Come Back?"
one-two-three-ONE-two-three
I always count waltzes in my head as one-TWO-THREE-one-TWO-THREE, like Leonard Cohen's "Take This Waltz." (which I see is exactly what you said in your follow-up post)
Post subject: Re: Lost Dogs: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu November 16, 2023 9:09 pm
tl;dr
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 6:06 pm Posts: 8568
When I do this exercise in my mind, I count one-TWO-THREE-one-TWO-THREE on songs like "Deep" and "Red Mosquito" and "Half Full" in the same way, though the songs have a much different aesthetic obviously. Maybe it's a matter of the signatures being the same but the emphases being different? As you can see I am not a drummer
Post subject: Re: Lost Dogs: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu November 16, 2023 9:26 pm
She / Her
Joined: Sun January 26, 2020 12:10 pm Posts: 12129 Location: Warwickshire, UK
Kevin Davis wrote:
Maybe it's a matter of the signatures being the same but the emphases being different? As you can see I am not a drummer
yes, exactly; 6/8 is a signature, waltz is a "feel"
I think there are Pearl Jam songs that have waltz in the melodic instrumental but not in the drums, which I'm primarily hearing when I listen to anything; so if I recall, a song like "Low Light" starts to *really* "waltz" when the keys start hitting those *-2-3, *-2-3, *-2-3 stabs during the outro, but the drums continue on that typical 6/8; that might be why you (or anyone more likely to sonically hone in on guitar or keys than me) hears a stronger waltz in it than I do
I've come to think time signatures are a bit of a scam really lol, it's all about having a shared language to communicate the "feel" to the other players; if you're doing that you're golden
Post subject: Re: Lost Dogs: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu November 16, 2023 10:14 pm
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
Joined: Tue December 24, 2019 8:48 pm Posts: 935
Kevin Davis wrote:
Stone's main guitar part in "Garden" is probably my favorite thing about Ten. A really lovely pattern.
Yep, it’s one of my favorite parts of any song they’ve made. I’m trying to think of other songs that feature Stone finger picking. Off the top of my head “Release” “Parachutes” and that killer intro to “Let the Records Play” come to mind. What else?
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