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Post subject: Re: Backspacer: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu September 21, 2017 2:52 pm
jeeeesus relax already
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:10 pm Posts: 36224
durdencommatyler wrote:
I've heard so many arguments and none of them hold water. There's nothing embarrassing about Amongst the Waves. There is no "failure" or reach for former glory or any of that nonsense. If that's why a listener doesn't like the song, then that's on the listener. That's the listeners own bullshit baggage that they're bringing to the experience.
Which is not to say that it's impossible to hate the song. I totally get why a person would hate it. There are legitimate reasons to dislike it. But "Reaching for and falling far short of a former brilliant place" just isn't one of them.
I agree with this so much...To be fair, sometimes its impossible not to put our own bullshit baggage to a song or a piece of art. But yeah, i agree that the whole ¨ its was a failure¨ doesnt matter much, specially 8 years from the release of the album.
I saw yeasterday a few songs from their ACL shoot in 2009, Johnny Guitar, ATW and The Fixer were fucking awesome.
Oh and the end of Army Reserve...fuck that jam is good.
I've heard so many arguments and none of them hold water. There's nothing embarrassing about Amongst the Waves. There is no "failure" or reach for former glory or any of that nonsense. If that's why a listener doesn't like the song, then that's on the listener. That's the listeners own bullshit baggage that they're bringing to the experience.
Which is not to say that it's impossible to hate the song. I totally get why a person would hate it. There are legitimate reasons to dislike it. But "Reaching for and falling far short of a former brilliant place" just isn't one of them.
To be fair, sometimes its impossible not to put our own bullshit baggage to a song or a piece of art.
Post subject: Re: Backspacer: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu September 21, 2017 3:58 pm
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 39820
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I've heard so many arguments and none of them hold water. There's nothing embarrassing about Amongst the Waves. There is no "failure" or reach for former glory or any of that nonsense. If that's why a listener doesn't like the song, then that's on the listener. That's the listeners own bullshit baggage that they're bringing to the experience.
Which is not to say that it's impossible to hate the song. I totally get why a person would hate it. There are legitimate reasons to dislike it. But "Reaching for and falling far short of a former brilliant place" just isn't one of them.
To be fair, sometimes its impossible not to put our own bullshit baggage to a song or a piece of art.
Very true. Good point.
I like Amongst the Waves a lot, but I think there is something to that broad critique as a style of critique. If you write a song or create any art that calls to mind similar works crafted in the past you do invite the audience to draw comparisons. It's probably impossible not to. And while it is absolutely its own song, Amongst the Wave does share a lineage with triumphant mid tempo anthems of pearl jam past. And then if you don't like the song as much as its peers it will influence how you think and talk about the song. I don't like this song, and I DO like songs on that part of the family tree, therefore there is something deficient in this particular performance.
I apply the same logic to a song like In Hiding or Faithful, rather than Amongst the Waves. Here is a mid tempo anthem in the classic pearl jam style (talky verses, soaring chorus, etc), but when I listened to them they didn't move me like Jeremy or Alive or Betterman or Given to Fly on the same album, and my enjoyment of faithful or in hiding suffered because I was reminded of other songs I like better. I'm not sure that I LIKE push me/pull me more than faithful, but I feel more warmly disposed towards it in part because it stands alone and I'm not comparing it to other songs I enjoy more.
I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing as much as it is just likely inevitable.
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