Thu January 10, 2013 3:27 pm
Thu January 10, 2013 3:32 pm
EJ wrote:Rival is my favorite headphone track from this album. Love the dog intro, love the way different instruments are introduced, its just a great song - and, sounds like nothing they've ever done before.
OTG is the other standout headphone track for me. Just a lot of atmosphere and moodiness to it, that I just crave sometimes.
Thu January 10, 2013 3:35 pm
conoalias wrote:I find it really strange that people feel this way about Binaural as it is, IMO, a record that is way more about feeling than about any sort of intellectualization. Tracks like NAIS, SoH, Of a Girl are good examples as they're not particularly complex or sophisticated but they're all about great atmospheric sounds that envelop you. I think if you start thinking about the recording process when you listen to the music you kinda miss the point.
Thu January 10, 2013 4:02 pm
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Thu January 10, 2013 4:21 pm
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:VinylGuy wrote:NEED THIS ONE ON VINYL FUCKERS, RELEASE IT.
It's overrated on vinyl. CD sounds exactly the same.
Finally, someone gets it!
Pearl Jam on vinyl is a scam. And anyone who think they're acheiving some kind of sonic nirvana by listening to the vinyl versions, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
Thu January 10, 2013 4:32 pm
Kevin Davis wrote:conoalias wrote:I find it really strange that people feel this way about Binaural as it is, IMO, a record that is way more about feeling than about any sort of intellectualization. Tracks like NAIS, SoH, Of a Girl are good examples as they're not particularly complex or sophisticated but they're all about great atmospheric sounds that envelop you. I think if you start thinking about the recording process when you listen to the music you kinda miss the point.
You're right about the mood of those songs; what I was meaning to express is that I think those moods are written into the songs, into the arrangements, as much as they are the result of production choices. "Binaural" is one of my favorite collections of songs but I've never really thought all the studio processing added much to them--to me there's just something amateurish and gimmicky about it, the work of a classic rock band whose idea of an art rock record is just a shroud of deep, echoey sound effects. I realize that's an unfair oversimplification but it's so often the pervasive impression I'm left with after listening to the record. I dunno, maybe it's the result of Tchad Blake not being able to finish what he started. Like I said, I admire what they were trying to do and wish they would try to do more of it. But I still prefer the clarity of the live versions, because I think there's enough texture and mystery inherently woven into the fabric of the songs already.
Thu January 10, 2013 4:36 pm
cutuphalfdead wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:VinylGuy wrote:NEED THIS ONE ON VINYL FUCKERS, RELEASE IT.
It's overrated on vinyl. CD sounds exactly the same.
Have you tried on vinyl with headphones?
yup
Thu January 10, 2013 4:41 pm
pnjguy wrote:To be honest, i'm not sure what echoey sound effects you're talking about. Examples?
Thu January 10, 2013 5:05 pm
Kevin Davis wrote:pnjguy wrote:To be honest, i'm not sure what echoey sound effects you're talking about. Examples?
Hmmm, allow me to LAL today and get back to you. Perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me.
Expect more words on this topic than you ever cared to read sometime in the not-too-distant future.
Thu January 10, 2013 5:54 pm
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Thu January 10, 2013 8:23 pm
pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:VinylGuy wrote:NEED THIS ONE ON VINYL FUCKERS, RELEASE IT.
It's overrated on vinyl. CD sounds exactly the same.
Have you tried on vinyl with headphones?
yup
well, there are definitely layers on the vinyl i don't hear on the CD. A CD can't sound exactly the same as a vinyl, its impossible.
Thu January 10, 2013 8:31 pm
Thu January 10, 2013 8:36 pm
Thu January 10, 2013 8:39 pm
Birds in Hell wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:VinylGuy wrote:NEED THIS ONE ON VINYL FUCKERS, RELEASE IT.
It's overrated on vinyl. CD sounds exactly the same.
Have you tried on vinyl with headphones?
yup
well, there are definitely layers on the vinyl i don't hear on the CD. A CD can't sound exactly the same as a vinyl, its impossible.
What he means is that, as far as anyone is aware, every Pearl Jam LP is sourced from the exact same digital master as the CD.
There's no extra musical information magically stored in the vinyl, other than the inherent character and distortions of vinyl itself.
Thu January 10, 2013 8:43 pm
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:VinylGuy wrote:NEED THIS ONE ON VINYL FUCKERS, RELEASE IT.
It's overrated on vinyl. CD sounds exactly the same.
Have you tried on vinyl with headphones?
yup
well, there are definitely layers on the vinyl i don't hear on the CD. A CD can't sound exactly the same as a vinyl, its impossible.
What he means is that, as far as anyone is aware, every Pearl Jam LP is sourced from the exact same digital master as the CD.
There's no extra musical information magically stored in the vinyl, other than the inherent character and distortions of vinyl itself.
Correct. Because real vinyl is cut from the original analog tapes, or a flat hi-res file. Pearl Jam's albums have already been squeezed out like digital sausage once they reach the vinyl stage. Anyone can counterfeit a Pearl Jam LP if they have the ability. You just cut the vinyl straight from the CD.
Thu January 10, 2013 8:50 pm
durdencommatyler wrote:Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Birds in Hell wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:pnjguy wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:VinylGuy wrote:NEED THIS ONE ON VINYL FUCKERS, RELEASE IT.
It's overrated on vinyl. CD sounds exactly the same.
Have you tried on vinyl with headphones?
yup
well, there are definitely layers on the vinyl i don't hear on the CD. A CD can't sound exactly the same as a vinyl, its impossible.
What he means is that, as far as anyone is aware, every Pearl Jam LP is sourced from the exact same digital master as the CD.
There's no extra musical information magically stored in the vinyl, other than the inherent character and distortions of vinyl itself.
Correct. Because real vinyl is cut from the original analog tapes, or a flat hi-res file. Pearl Jam's albums have already been squeezed out like digital sausage once they reach the vinyl stage. Anyone can counterfeit a Pearl Jam LP if they have the ability. You just cut the vinyl straight from the CD.
I have to say, when I first learned this, several years ago, it was the first time I was disappointed in the band.
For all their bluster you would think this would be a particular sticking point for them.