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Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Tue October 31, 2017 2:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
tragabigzanda wrote: stip wrote: why a faux master as opposed to a faux mix Remixing implies the use of individual tracks; I'd say there are anywhere from 24 to 50 tracks on Got Some. A faux master just uses stereo stems, which is far more creatively limiting, and in this case probably means 8-10 stereo tracks that have already been mixed and mastered. |
Author: | Tuolumne [ Tue October 31, 2017 4:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
This song is a great frickin jam. Love Matt Cameron on this, a Backspacer gem. |
Author: | tragabigzanda [ Tue October 31, 2017 4:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Monkey_Driven wrote: tragabigzanda wrote: stip wrote: why a faux master as opposed to a faux mix Remixing implies the use of individual tracks; I'd say there are anywhere from 24 to 50 tracks on Got Some. A faux master just uses stereo stems, which is far more creatively limiting, and in this case probably means 8-10 stereo tracks that have already been mixed and mastered. I'll explain further: Once the recording industry shifted to a digital production and delivery model, the record labels began mixing albums by committee; that is, they'd hire someone to do a mix, then share the mix with the entire band, management team, and A&R department, because it was so easy to just email the mix out. With so many opinions to be considered, engineers took up the habit of printing stereo "stems," two-track mix-downs that would typically look like this for a song like Got Some: Drums + Percussion Bass Rhythm Guitars Lead guitars Keys Vocals That way, if one of the A&R guys said "Could I hear it with the vox a little louder?", it didn't require a full remix; the engineer could simply bring the vocal stems up 1 or dBs, a process that would take all of five minutes to edit and deliver. Whereas remixing a song like Got Some would probably have a track layout that looks something like this: kick drum (in) kick drum (out) rack tom 1 (top) rack tom 1 (bottom) rack tom 2 (top) rack tom 2 (bottom) floor tom 1 (top) floor tom 1 (bottom) floor tom 2 (top) floor tom 2 (bottom) snare (top) snare (bottom) overhead left over head right Room mic 1 Room mic 2 Room mic 3 And that's just the drum setup. You get the idea. |
Author: | bodysnatcher [ Tue October 31, 2017 4:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Mic McCready, amirite?? |
Author: | stip [ Tue October 31, 2017 11:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
tragabigzanda wrote: Monkey_Driven wrote: tragabigzanda wrote: stip wrote: why a faux master as opposed to a faux mix Remixing implies the use of individual tracks; I'd say there are anywhere from 24 to 50 tracks on Got Some. A faux master just uses stereo stems, which is far more creatively limiting, and in this case probably means 8-10 stereo tracks that have already been mixed and mastered. I'll explain further: Once the recording industry shifted to a digital production and delivery model, the record labels began mixing albums by committee; that is, they'd hire someone to do a mix, then share the mix with the entire band, management team, and A&R department, because it was so easy to just email the mix out. With so many opinions to be considered, engineers took up the habit of printing stereo "stems," two-track mix-downs that would typically look like this for a song like Got Some: Drums + Percussion Bass Rhythm Guitars Lead guitars Keys Vocals That way, if one of the A&R guys said "Could I hear it with the vox a little louder?", it didn't require a full remix; the engineer could simply bring the vocal stems up 1 or dBs, a process that would take all of five minutes to edit and deliver. Whereas remixing a song like Got Some would probably have a track layout that looks something like this: kick drum (in) kick drum (out) rack tom 1 (top) rack tom 1 (bottom) rack tom 2 (top) rack tom 2 (bottom) floor tom 1 (top) floor tom 1 (bottom) floor tom 2 (top) floor tom 2 (bottom) snare (top) snare (bottom) overhead left over head right Room mic 1 Room mic 2 Room mic 3 And that's just the drum setup. You get the idea. thanks |
Author: | swan [ Tue October 31, 2017 11:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Still love that ass-kicking debut version on Conan's first Tonight Show episode |
Author: | evenslow [ Thu November 02, 2017 3:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Fat Ed and Mike is WAY too high in the mix but it's fun. |
Author: | tragabigzanda [ Thu November 02, 2017 4:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Wow, thanks evenslow. Hadn't seen that for years. That version rips. |
Author: | Birds in Hell [ Thu November 02, 2017 4:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
The one and only time they performed the song in its original key, if I’m not mistaken. |
Author: | mikejasond [ Thu November 02, 2017 7:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
I feel like if you didn't ever listen to Pearl Jam and just watched this clip you'd think they were horrible. I feel like you guys are lowering your standards because you've watched everything they've ever done. |
Author: | Higgs [ Thu November 02, 2017 7:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
That was pretty kewl. |
Author: | WtOB? [ Thu November 02, 2017 11:57 am ] |
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someone got paid top dollar to do that awful mix. |
Author: | Monkey_Driven [ Thu November 02, 2017 2:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Ha, Ed looks better now that he did then. I remember being really excited for Backspacer about that performance. Those were the days... |
Author: | Leatherhead [ Thu November 02, 2017 7:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
mikejasond wrote: I feel like if you didn't ever listen to Pearl Jam and just watched this clip you'd think they were horrible. I feel like you guys are lowering your standards because you've watched everything they've ever done. No. Good song. Good performance. |
Author: | tragabigzanda [ Thu November 02, 2017 7:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
I really like Stone' headbanging around the 2:00 mark, and then again at the end. |
Author: | Anders [ Thu November 02, 2017 8:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Yes, very cool version. |
Author: | EJ [ Thu November 02, 2017 8:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
yeah, that's a lot more blistering than I remember. nice. |
Author: | mikejasond [ Thu November 02, 2017 8:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
I dunno what you guys are hearing, Eddie is barely audible and he sounds awful even if he was heard. The tolerance of a lead singer who can't sing his own songs is so weird. |
Author: | VinylGuy [ Thu November 02, 2017 8:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
Yeah, the mix of that performance was bad. Loved the energy though. |
Author: | E.H. Ruddock [ Thu November 02, 2017 8:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Song of the Moment: Got Some |
I love how EV goes to stand on the drum stage so he doesn't look so short next to Conan. |
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