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Post subject: Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions
Posted: Sat January 18, 2014 3:14 pm
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
Joined: Mon February 04, 2013 3:03 pm Posts: 825
You guys are forgetting some Ten demos like Black or Evenflow that are considerably different than the album version. Also, there is an Otherside demo with Jeff on vocals.The Bad Radio version of Betterman should be in here?
I just listened to the sample of the 4:55 version online and it appears to just be the RKCNDY live version (1991-08-03) from the Alive video - let me know if you don't have it and would like a FLAC hook up
Also - a quick question about not using FLAC for this: does that mean when you edited a track for length, volume, fade-in etc you started with an mp3, made changes, and then saved it as an mp3?
If so then this is exactly why people don't like mp3 - any saving results in a re-encode, meaning you are downgrading the quality further by making an mp3 of an mp3.
Not to sound ungrateful for your great work here, just wanted to know the linage
Think of making/saving mp3s as making photocopies. If you have a photocopied document, make some changes to it by hand, and then photocopy it again - you're going to lose quality. Lossless is like having the original document digitally, which you can make changes to while maintaining the quality of the original. People can then always hit 'print' (i.e. convert) and make themselves a photocopy/mp3, but at least then they're doing so from the original version, not a photocopy of a photocopy
Post subject: Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions
Posted: Mon January 20, 2014 12:52 am
Future Drummer
Joined: Mon July 08, 2013 5:47 pm Posts: 3002 Location: Louisville, KY
Yes, I get that. Where I had flacs, I edited the flac and decoded to mp3. Many of the released studio tracks I only have as mp3, so that could not be done. I would guess there are 20-30 tracks across the set that were done that way, ie they needed some type of edit, and I had to work with mp3.
Yes, I get that. Where I had flacs, I edited the flac and decoded to mp3. Many of the released studio tracks I only have as mp3, so that could not be done. I would guess there are 20-30 tracks across the set that were done that way, ie they needed some type of edit, and I had to work with mp3.
Post subject: Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions
Posted: Wed February 05, 2014 1:42 pm
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 39468
Okay, I'm going to do some serious work on this today. I have some files called the Vs. rough mixes and the vitalogy rough mixes. Does anyone know if these are legit, or whether or not they're just scuffed up versions of the studio tracks. I know the Ten rough mixes are actually different.
Post subject: Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions
Posted: Wed February 05, 2014 2:20 pm
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 39468
stip wrote:
Okay, I'm going to do some serious work on this today. I have some files called the Vs. rough mixes and the vitalogy rough mixes. Does anyone know if these are legit, or whether or not they're just scuffed up versions of the studio tracks. I know the Ten rough mixes are actually different.
I've listened to a few and I'm just not sure. I kinda suspect they're not really different, but I'd like a better set of ears to confirm
Although there is also a whipping listed with the Vs. demos that does sound a bit different from the Vitalogy version (with a drum countdown)
Post subject: Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions
Posted: Wed February 05, 2014 3:29 pm
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I could also use a check on whether or not the Holiday single and LD versions of strangest tribe are different? I hear the same thing but someone else said they are slightly different. Break the tie!
Post subject: Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions
Posted: Wed February 05, 2014 3:41 pm
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 39468
okay, done. This could really use some double checking:
Note: This does not include live performances. It includes studio solo performances of Pearl Jam songs.
Acoustic #1: Pearl Jam 20 Alive: Ten/Single Version, Ten Remix, Ten remastered, RVM remix, Ten rough mix, 3 song sampler, Video version (live), mamasan demo, First week rehearsal demo, Dollar Short (stone demo) All Night: Lost Dogs All or None: Riot Act All Those Yesterdays: Yield Alone: Lost Dogs, Go Single, Ten rough mix, first week rehersal demo, Vs. demo, Ten rough mix, Unreleased Lost Dogs mix, Richard E (stone demo) Amongst the Waves: Backspacer Angel: Holiday single, 1993 Animal: Vs/Single 1 and 2, RVM version, Vs demo, Vs. remastered, Weird A (stone demo), Weird A first week rehearsal demo Anything In Between: Unreleased Lost Dog disc Arc: Riot Act Army Reserve: S/T Around the Bend: No code Aye Davanita: Vitalogy Be Like Wind: PJ 20 Bee Girl: Lost Dogs Betterman: Vitalogy, guitar&organ/Vitalogy re-issue, molo sessions, Bad Radio, Vitalogy demo Better Things: Holiday Single 2011 Big Wave: S/T Black: Ten, Ten remastered, RVM remix, Ten remix, Ten Rough Mix, First week reherseal demos, E ballad (stone demo) Black Red Yellow: Hail Hail Single, Lost Dogs Blood: Vs. Vs. remastered, Vs. demos Brain of J: Yield Breakerfall: Binaural, Binaural demos Breath: Singles/RVM, Rough mix, Ten re-issue (Breath and a Scream), Ten Demo, First week reherseal demos, Doobie E (stone demo) Brother: Ten re-issue, Lost Dogs, Ten demo, unreleased Lost Dogs Bugs: Vitalogy, Vitalogy demo Bushleaguer: Riot Act Can’t Keep: Riot Act, Ukulele Songs Chinese: Unreleased song from Ten Cold Confession: S/T outtake Comatose: S/T, S/T rough mix Come Back: S/T Corduroy: Vitalogy/RVM, alt-take/Vitalogy re-issue, Vitalogy demos Crazy Mary: Sweet Relief, Vs. re-issue Cready Stomp: Vs reissue Cropduster: Riot Act Daddy Could Swear, I Declare: First week rehersal demos
Daughter: Vs/Single/RVM, Vs. demo, Vs. remastered, Dead Man: Lost Dogs/Off He Goes single, Dead Man Walking Legacy Edition Deep: Ten, Ten remastered, Ten Remixed, Ten rough mix Devil Doll: Holiday Single 2011 Dirty Frank: Lost Dogs, Even Flow/Alive single Dissident: Vs/Single/RVM, Vs. remastered, Vs demo Don’t Believe in Christmas: Holiday Single 2002 Don’t Gimmie No Lip: Lost Dogs, Unreleased Lost Dogs (rough mix) Down: I Am Mine single, Lost Dogs (slight mastering differences) Drifting: Fan club single, Lost Dogs Education: Unreleased Lost Dogs, Lost Dogs, Elderly Woman: Vs/RVM., Vs. Remastered, Go single (demo), Vs. demo The End: Backspacper, orchestral version (used as music on Ed solo tour) Evacuation: Binaural Even Flow: Ten, Ten Remasted Ten Redux, Rearviewmirror/video version, Ten rough mix, first week reheresal demo, Evil Little Goat: Ten reissue, first week rehersal demo Faithful: Yield Falling Down: Holiday Single 2010 Fatal: Lost Dogs, Unreleased Lost Dogs (rough mix) The Fixer: TBackspacer, Matt Cameron demo (PJ 20--Need to Know), video version Foldback: Touring Band 2000 Folk D: stone demo Footsteps: Lost Dogs, Jeremy single, mamasan demo, Times of Trouble demo (PJ 20) Force of Nature: Backspacer Future Days: Lightning Bolt Garden: Ten, Ten remastered, Ten remixed, Ten rough demo Getaway: Lightning Bolt Get Right: Riot Act Ghost: Riot Act Given To Fly: Yield/Single/RVM, PJ 20 (instrumental version) Glorified G: Vs, Vs, remastered, Vs. demo Go: Vs/RVM/Single, Vs. demo, Vs remastered God’s Dice: Binaural Golden State: Holiday Single 2011, The Golden State Gone: S/T, Holiday Single 2005 (demo) Gonna See My Friend: Backspacer Got Some: Baackspacer Grievance: Binaural Green Disease: Riot Act Gremmie Out of Control: MOM/Lost Dogs Habit: No Code Hail Hail: No Code/Single/RVM Happy When I’m Crying: Holiday Single 1997 Hard to Imagine: Chicago Cab soundtrack, Vitalogy demo, Lost Dogs, Vs. Demo Harmony: Touring Band 200 Help Help: Riot Act Hey Foxymophandle Mama, That’s Me: Vitalogy Hitchhiker: Lost Dogs, Unreleased Lost Dogs (rough mix) Hold On: Lost Dogs, Unreleased Lost Dog (Ten era mix), Vs. box set (acoustic) Hummus: Yield I Am Mine: Riot Act/RVM/Single I Got ID: Merkinball/RVM I Just Wanna Have Something to Do: Holiday Single 2001 I’m Open: No Code Immortality: Vitalogy/RVM/Single In Hiding: Yield In My Tree: No Code In the Moonlight: Lost Dogs, Unreleased Lost Dogs (rough mix) Indifference: Vs., Vs. remastered, Vs. demo Infallible: Backspacer Inside Job: S/T Insignificance: Binaural (Brendan O'Brien mix); Nothing As It Seems single (Tchad Blake mix) It Ain’t Like That: PJ 20 I’ve Got A Feeling: Ten Rough Mixes Jeremy: Ten, Ten remastered, Ten remixed, RVM mix, Rough Mix, Single edit, Holiday Single 2001 (‘New’ Jeremy 2010) Jingle Bells: Holiday Single 2007 Johnny Guitar: Backspacer Just A Girl: Evil E (stone demo), First week rehearsal demo, Ten reissue, Unreleased Lost Dogs Just Breathe: Backspacer The King: stone demo Last Exit: Vitalogy, Vitalogy demo Last Kiss: Single, RVM, Lost Dog Leatherman: Given to Fly single Leash: Vs., Vs. Remastered, Vs. demo Leavin Here: Hoem Alive/Lost Dogs Let It Ride: S/T outtake Let Me Sleep: Lost Dogs, Holiday Single 1991 Life Wasted: S/T, S/T rough mix Light Years: Binaural/Single, Binaural demo Lightning Bolt: Lightning Bolt Long Road: Merkinball, Molo Sessions, Dead Man Walking soundtrack, dead man walking score Love Boat Captain: Riot Act/Single, Molo sessions Love Reign O’er Me: Holiday Single 2006 Low Light: Yield Lukin: Yield Man of the Hour: Moth Single, Demo version on single Mankind: No Code Marker in the Sand: S/T Master/Slave: Ten, Ten remixed, Ten mastered MFC: Yield: Mind Your Manners: Lightning Bolt, video version My Father’s Son: Lighting Bolt Need to Know: PJ 20 No Way: Yield Not For You: Vitalogy/RVM, Vitalogy demos Nothing As It Seems: Binaural/RVM, PJ 20 soundtrack (demo), Binaural demo, Single Nothingman: Vitalogy/RVM, demo/Vitalogy re-issue, Vitalogy demo Oceans: Ten/single, Ten remastered, Ten remixed, first week rehersal demo, rough mix, Even flow single (remix), Of The Earth: Pearl Jam Twenty (DVD) Of the Girl: Binaural, PJ 20 (instrumental) Off He Goes: No Code/Single/RVM Ole: website release 2011 Olympic Platinum: Holiday single 1996 Once: Ten, Ten remix, Ten remastered, RVM remix, Ten Rough Mix, Ten first week rehearsal mix, Stone demo (Agytian crave), Mamasan demo Other Side: Save You, Lost Dogs Out of My Mind: Not For You Parachutes: S/T, S/T rough mix Parting Ways: Binaural Pendulum: Lightning Bolt Pilate: Yield/Given to Fly Porch: Ten, Ten remastered, Ten remixed, Ten rough mix Present Tense: No Code Pry, To: Vitalogy Push Me/Pull Me: Yield Puzzles and Games: Unreleased Lost Dogs Ramblings 1: Holiday single 1991 Ramblings 2: Holiday single 1992 Ramblings 3: Holiday single 1993 Rats: Vs. Vs. remastered, Vs. demo Red Dot: Yield Release: Ten, Ten rough mix, Ten remixed, Ten remastered, first week rehearsal demo, Out of the Furnace Rival: Binaural Rock Around Barack: 2008 website release Sad: Lost Dogs, Unreleased Lost Dogs Santa Cruz: Holiday Single 2008 Santa God: Holiday Single 2007 Satan’s Bed: Vitalogy, Vitalogy demo Save You: Riot Act/Single, RVM (burst of feedback) Severed Hand: S/T, S/T demo Sirens: Lightning bolt, video Sleeping By Myself: Lightning Bolt, Ukulele songs Sleight of Hand: Binaural Smile: No Code Someday At Christmas: Holiday Single 2004 Sometimes: No Code Sonic Reducer: Holiday Single 1992 Soon Forget: Binaural Speed of Sound: Backspacer, demo Spin the Black Circle: Vitalogy/RVM, Vitalogy demo State of Love and Trust: Singles, RVM, Ten re-issue Strangest Tribe: Fan club single/Lost Dogs Sunburn: Unreleased Lost Dogs Supersonic: Backspacer Swallowed Whole: Lightning Bolt Sweet Lew: Lost Dogs, Unreleased Lost Dog Thin Air: Binaural: Thumbing My Way: Riot Act Thunderclap: Touring Band 2000 Tremor Christ: Vitalogy/Vitalogy demo Turning Mist: Holiday Single 2011 U: Lost Dogs, Wishlist single Undone: I Am Mine single, Lost Dogs Unemployable: S/T, S/T demo Unthought Known: Backspacer Untitled: unreleased Lost Dogs Untitled: Ten era Stone demo W.M.A.: Vs., Vs. remastered, Vs. demos Wash: 'Alive' single/TEN European bonus track ; 'Lost Dogs', Wash rough mix Wasted Reprise: S/T Whale Song: MOM III, Lost Dogs Whipping: Vitalogy, Vs. demo, Vitalogy demo Why Go: Ten, Ten remix, Ten remaster, Rough mix Who You Are: No Code/Chicago Cab, Rearviewmirror (slight lyric edit) Wishing Well: Unreleased Lost Dogs Wishlist: Yield/Single/RVM World Wide Suicide: S/T/Single, S/T demo Yellow Ledbetter: RVM/Lost Dogs/Jeremy Single, First week rehearsal demo Yellow Moon: Lighting Bolt You Are: Riot Act 1/2 Full: Riot Act 2,000 Mile Blues: Ten reissue 4/20/02: Lost Dogs 7up: stone demo (pushin’ forward back)
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