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Gigaton definitely has higher highs for me, though this feels like it would be extremely difficult once you get to the bottom half of the lists. One of PJ's strengths for me is that they're typically able to imbue their average songs with good qualities. Other than maybe Something Special, I'm having trouble finding a song on either these albums (or most of their albums) that I would say is truly, out-and-out bad.
As one of maybe only two people here who defends Future Days, I totally agree. They don't have many (any?) straight terrible songs.
Even Something Special is fine for me. I don't dislike it at all.
Post subject: Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - rank the songs
Posted: Tue April 23, 2024 2:28 pm
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We'll probably never know, but it definitely makes me curious to know what happened in 2017/2018 or so, when it looked like they were going down the road of another record with BoB. Going from that to the approach on Gigaton (and then, later, to Dark Matter), is such an about-face, I assume there had to be some kind of come-to-Jesus moment for the band.
Post subject: Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - rank the songs
Posted: Tue April 23, 2024 2:37 pm
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Setting Sun (Dark Matter) Who Ever Said (Gigaton) Got to Give (Dark Matter) Alright (Gigaton) Dark Matter (Dark Matter) React, Respond (Dark Matter) Scared of Fear (Dark Matter) Wreckage (Dark Matter) Seven O'Clock (Gigaton) Dance of the Clairvoyants (Gigaton) Superblood Wolfmoon (Gigaton) Comes Then Goes (Gigaton) Waiting for Stevie (Dark Matter) Upper Hand (Dark Matter) Retrograde (Gigaton) Quick Escape (Gigaton) Never Destination (Gigaton) Won't Tell (Dark Matter) Take the Long Way (Gigaton) Running (Dark Matter) Buckle Up (Gigaton) Something Special (Dark Matter) River Cross (Gigaton)
Post subject: Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - rank the songs
Posted: Tue April 23, 2024 3:04 pm
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hlniv wrote:
Listening thru Gigaton now. These last two albums are superb.
PJ eras at this point: 1. Ten/Vs/Vitalogy 2. No Code/Yield 3. Binaural/Riot Act 4. Avocado/Backspacer/Lightning Bolt 5. Gigaton/Dark Matter
Ranking these groupings, I'd put #5 right there with #2 and #3.
I always loved this as a thought exercise. Actually all the albums (thematically) pair up really well right now, as luck would have it
1)Ten - VS 2)Vitalogy - No Code (No Code is, in many ways, a response to Vitalogy) 3) Yield - Binaural (I think an argument could be made (I make it in the book) that Binaural is not so much a response to Yield as the evolution of the tensions that exist below its surface 4) Riot Act - S/T. Sonically different but these are the Bush Administration albums. It's REM's Around the Sun and Accelerate, in Pearl Jam form 5) Backspacer - Lightning Bolt. These are the albums where the middle aged fear of loss/what is my legacy themes emerge. They are also the Obama administration albums, and the initial wave of optimism getting ground down by deeper, systemic problems around how our communities constitute themselves is all over here 6) Gigaton - Dark Matter. These are elder statesmen reflecting on their experiences and legacy and how to message it to the next generation. They are personal records, and deal with a lot of ideas in Backspacer and Lightning Bolt, but there is a shift as the audience (their children's generation as well as their own) as the rising generation is now ready to act on its own
I think there's also a thematic arc that starts in Ten and completes in Backspacer, and another one that begins in Backspacer and is still unfolding (and likely wont' resolve unless Pearl Jam sits down to intentionally make a FINAL album). Backspacer really is an important pivot record thinking about this stuff.
Upper Hand (Dark Matter) Buckle Up (Gigaton) Got to Give (Dark Matter) Won't Tell (Dark Matter) Scared of Fear (Dark Matter) Who Ever Said (Gigaton) React, Respond (Dark Matter) Dance of the Clairvoyants (Gigaton) Quick Escape (Gigaton) Setting Sun (Dark Matter) Wreckage (Dark Matter) Take the Long Way (Gigaton) Waiting for Stevie (Dark Matter) Seven O'Clock (Gigaton) Dark Matter (Dark Matter) Comes Then Goes (Gigaton) Superblood Wolfmoon (Gigaton) Something Special (Dark Matter) Alright (Gigaton) Never Destination (Gigaton) Running (Dark Matter) Retrograde (Gigaton) River Cross (Gigaton)
Album scores Dark Matter: 156 (Average: 14.2) Gigaton: 120 (Average: 10.0)
Although Ten with everything (death of Andrew Wood, early origins of the band with Mike and Stone jamming, and later Jeff joining them, the recruitment process, Dave K, Singles - movie and soundtrack, TOTDG, early shows, Mookie Blaylock, eventual recruitment of Dave A, initial success, etc, deserves to be an era of its own).
1 Ten 2 Vs/Vitalogy 3 No Code/Yield 4 Binaural/Riot Act 5 S-T/Backspacer/Lightning Bolt 6 Gigaton/Dark Matter
Who Ever Said x Scared of Fear Superblood Wolfmoon x React, Respond Dance of the Clairvoyants x Wreckage Quick Escape x Dark Matter Alright x Won't Tell Seven O'Clock x Upper Hand Never Destination x Waiting for Steve Take The Long Way x Running Buckle Up x Come Than Goes x Something Special Retrograde x Got to Give River Cross x Setting Sun
Today, Scared Of Fear ended up ahead of Who Ever Said.
DOTC vs Wreckage another tough one, but still DOTC ahead today.
Post subject: Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - rank the songs
Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 11:57 pm
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Interesting…
Scared of Fear (Dark Matter) React, Respond (Dark Matter) Wreckage (Dark Matter) Setting Sun (Dark Matter) Waiting for Stevie (Dark Matter) Dark Matter (Dark Matter) Who Ever Said (Gigaton) Upper Hand (Dark Matter) Superblood Wolfmoon (Gigaton) Running (Dark Matter) Take the Long Way (Gigaton) Won't Tell (Dark Matter) Dance of the Clairvoyants (Gigaton) Quick Escape (Gigaton) Alright (Gigaton) Got to Give (Dark Matter) Never Destination (Gigaton) Seven O'Clock (Gigaton) Comes Then Goes (Gigaton) Something Special (Dark Matter) River Cross (Gigaton) Buckle Up (Gigaton) Retrograde (Gigaton)
Post subject: Re: Gigaton and Dark Matter - rank the songs
Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 1:28 am
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Upper Hand (Dark Matter) Setting Sun (Dark Matter) Waiting for Stevie (Dark Matter) Dance of the Clairvoyants (Gigaton) Wreckage (Dark Matter) Won't Tell (Dark Matter) Got to Give (Dark Matter) Comes Then Goes (Gigaton) Quick Escape (Gigaton) Seven O'Clock (Gigaton) Scared of Fear (Dark Matter) Who Ever Said (Gigaton) React, Respond (Dark Matter) Retrograde (Gigaton) Dark Matter (Dark Matter) Alright (Gigaton) Running (Dark Matter) Buckle Up (Gigaton) Superblood Wolfmoon (Gigaton) River Cross (Gigaton) Take the Long Way (Gigaton) Something Special (Dark Matter) Never Destination (Gigaton)
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