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Post subject: Re: The single most embarrassing thing from PJ’s career
Posted: Mon March 04, 2024 11:05 pm
A Return To Form
Joined: Sun July 07, 2013 3:44 am Posts: 196
warehouse wrote:
sweeper wrote:
I think it's Ed being pressured into pretending he loves bands like Fugazi, The Frogs, etc due to the criticism of people like Cobain about PJ's music being too corporate. The extent to which Ed had to actually sell how much he liked those bands and then giving into letting it affect PJ's music was pretty embarrassing (to me). I wish he would have just rolled more with who he/PJ actually were, especially since most of Cobain's criticism came from a spot of jealousy.
Post subject: Re: The single most embarrassing thing from PJ’s career
Posted: Mon March 04, 2024 11:06 pm
Production Police
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47182 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Noaheb wrote:
"The production issues with Dark Matter" - Trag probably
By itself, no.
In concert with the flex ticket pricing, the 10C seating shaft, the awful Ukraine tweet, the poster artist story, the tequila and “no hyperbole” statement, the silly promo shots, yes. This is definitely the worst time to be a PJ fan. They’re a ridiculous business built upon marginally enjoyable art.
I don't really see any difference between the promotion of this album compared to Lightning Bolt or Gigaton other than the premium seats.
Everything I listed above, combined with a mediocre song with horrific production. They’ve fully morphed into a commercially oriented rock band (again), but have so little regard for the actual commerce part of the mechanism that we literally got a “we stand with Ukraine, check out our new single” tweet days after the poster story, and smack in the middle of a real “FU” ticket rollout.
Seemingly no business principles at this point. I’m sure it’s borne more from lack of oversight on everything from mixing sessions to poster artist deals than it is some sort of capitalist agenda, but I’m not sure that’s measurably even a little better.
Post subject: Re: The single most embarrassing thing from PJ’s career
Posted: Mon March 04, 2024 11:08 pm
Production Police
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47182 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
sweeper wrote:
warehouse wrote:
sweeper wrote:
I think it's Ed being pressured into pretending he loves bands like Fugazi, The Frogs, etc due to the criticism of people like Cobain about PJ's music being too corporate. The extent to which Ed had to actually sell how much he liked those bands and then giving into letting it affect PJ's music was pretty embarrassing (to me). I wish he would have just rolled more with who he/PJ actually were, especially since most of Cobain's criticism came from a spot of jealousy.
this post is embarrassing
I love Ed but you know it's true.
Can’t agree with this because we got some of the most effective songs from this era: Sometimes, Habit, Happy When I’m Crying…
Post subject: Re: The single most embarrassing thing from PJ’s career
Posted: Mon March 04, 2024 11:10 pm
A Return To Form
Joined: Sun July 07, 2013 3:44 am Posts: 196
tragabigzanda wrote:
sweeper wrote:
warehouse wrote:
sweeper wrote:
I think it's Ed being pressured into pretending he loves bands like Fugazi, The Frogs, etc due to the criticism of people like Cobain about PJ's music being too corporate. The extent to which Ed had to actually sell how much he liked those bands and then giving into letting it affect PJ's music was pretty embarrassing (to me). I wish he would have just rolled more with who he/PJ actually were, especially since most of Cobain's criticism came from a spot of jealousy.
this post is embarrassing
I love Ed but you know it's true.
Can’t agree with this because we got some of the most effective songs from this era: Sometimes, Habit, Happy When I’m Crying…
I'm talking about Ed's 20 year quest to turn PJ into a punk band.
Post subject: Re: The single most embarrassing thing from PJ’s career
Posted: Tue March 05, 2024 12:08 am
Posting (live)
Joined: Wed February 06, 2013 2:47 am Posts: 17536 Location: Scooby Doo
sweeper wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
sweeper wrote:
warehouse wrote:
sweeper wrote:
I think it's Ed being pressured into pretending he loves bands like Fugazi, The Frogs, etc due to the criticism of people like Cobain about PJ's music being too corporate. The extent to which Ed had to actually sell how much he liked those bands and then giving into letting it affect PJ's music was pretty embarrassing (to me). I wish he would have just rolled more with who he/PJ actually were, especially since most of Cobain's criticism came from a spot of jealousy.
this post is embarrassing
I love Ed but you know it's true.
Can’t agree with this because we got some of the most effective songs from this era: Sometimes, Habit, Happy When I’m Crying…
I'm talking about Ed's 20 year quest to turn PJ into a punk band.
I see where you're coming from. I just rewatched PJ20 and then the London O2 2009 show. The Ed from the 90's (self defensive, van driving, can't be seen to enjoy success) is so very at odds with the 2009 version (starting sing alongs and clearly enjoying the adulation).
Like the comments in the PRAMG thread, I do wonder if Ed had been a bit more comfortable with himself how PJ would have tracked through the late 90's early 2000s.
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