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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 12:50 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Mon July 08, 2013 5:47 pm Posts: 2291
chadisme417 wrote:
daft twat wrote:
Jaeti wrote:
This is going to be good.
I don’t think it is. I don’t think it matters. I think Gigaton is their best work since Binaural, and the songs I was lucky enough to see live sounded great, but none of them evoked the feelings that Release to kick off the show at MSG, State and Breath in the St. Louis encore, or the back-to-back beauty of Black and Given to Fly in St. Paul did. I’m not paying thousands of dollars to go to Vancouver to see Running. I hope this album is fine. I hope I enjoy it for what it is, but I know by the time we’re in the heart of summer, I’ll be making playlists that don’t include any of it and still be looking for a ticket to the 2nd Wrigley show.
If I wrote reviews, I’d be really hoping it was a turd and I could title the review Fecal Matter.
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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 12:51 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Mon July 08, 2013 5:47 pm Posts: 2291
stip wrote:
Val wrote:
Vindicator wrote:
Waiting for Stevie ***** (don’t want to hype this one up too much. But was my fav of the bunch. Haven’t had a high on first listen from a PJ song like this since Unthought Known. But I’m still not sure how it will land with everyone else. Maybe too poppy?)"
I wanna say Ouch.
Unthought Known?
Too poppy?
Ouch. Ouch.
Unthought Known was a super high first listen. it just doesnt have the layers of an all time classic
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 12:56 pm
She / Her
Joined: Sun January 26, 2020 12:10 pm Posts: 12152 Location: Warwickshire, UK
oh I agree with that, and I will hear it, but I'm also able to overlook it; I'm interested in the lyrics, the instrumentation choices, the arrangement, and the passion of the performances; I see production as the gift-wrapping on all of that (unless I absolutely love the production, in which case it becomes part of the gift, the artistic statement, itself)
in these instances, the best I can hope for is that a dark mood and a poppy production can create interesting, if jarring paradoxes; the best example of that would be something like The Cure, where this is done very deliberately; we aren't going to get The Cure, but I do think a few of those moments appear on Earthling
I think what is tough is you will get a cohesively dark mood filtered through Watt’s sheen instead of the way Josh Evans might have produced and mixed it? I think that’s also the worry that the sheen won’t match the band’s approach? Watt was excellent for Earthlings because it was a moment for Eddie to let his hair down and create some poppy music (The Dark is a five star example of this)…that it translates here is up for grabs.
Contradictions can sometimes be good for art though. Production approach doesn't necessarily have to line up with the mood of the songwriting. I'm not saying it will definitely work for Dark Matter. But I also think we should hold off on being pessimistic until we hear the album.
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 1:03 pm
She / Her
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EBowie wrote:
liebzz wrote:
I think what is tough is you will get a cohesively dark mood filtered through Watt’s sheen instead of the way Josh Evans might have produced and mixed it? I think that’s also the worry that the sheen won’t match the band’s approach? Watt was excellent for Earthlings because it was a moment for Eddie to let his hair down and create some poppy music (The Dark is a five star example of this)…that it translates here is up for grabs.
Contradictions can sometimes be good for art though. Production approach doesn't necessarily have to line up with the mood of the songwriting. I'm not saying it will definitely work for Dark Matter. But I also think we should hold off on being pessimistic until we hear the album.
I agree and you put it far more succinctly than I did
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 1:14 pm
Fake NYC Setlist Relayer
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 7:55 pm Posts: 7652
Ms Harmless wrote:
EBowie wrote:
liebzz wrote:
I think what is tough is you will get a cohesively dark mood filtered through Watt’s sheen instead of the way Josh Evans might have produced and mixed it? I think that’s also the worry that the sheen won’t match the band’s approach? Watt was excellent for Earthlings because it was a moment for Eddie to let his hair down and create some poppy music (The Dark is a five star example of this)…that it translates here is up for grabs.
Contradictions can sometimes be good for art though. Production approach doesn't necessarily have to line up with the mood of the songwriting. I'm not saying it will definitely work for Dark Matter. But I also think we should hold off on being pessimistic until we hear the album.
I agree and you put it far more succinctly than I did
I don’t feel pessimistic. Mostly feeling matter of fact. I don’t think we are getting a bad album based on what I have read here. I am mostly at peace with not knowing how much I will enjoy it, though you always want improvement in experience from the last time, which was very high for me.
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 1:19 pm
She / Her
Joined: Sun January 26, 2020 12:10 pm Posts: 12152 Location: Warwickshire, UK
liebzz wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
EBowie wrote:
liebzz wrote:
I think what is tough is you will get a cohesively dark mood filtered through Watt’s sheen instead of the way Josh Evans might have produced and mixed it? I think that’s also the worry that the sheen won’t match the band’s approach? Watt was excellent for Earthlings because it was a moment for Eddie to let his hair down and create some poppy music (The Dark is a five star example of this)…that it translates here is up for grabs.
Contradictions can sometimes be good for art though. Production approach doesn't necessarily have to line up with the mood of the songwriting. I'm not saying it will definitely work for Dark Matter. But I also think we should hold off on being pessimistic until we hear the album.
I agree and you put it far more succinctly than I did
I don’t feel pessimistic. Mostly feeling matter of fact. I don’t think we are getting a bad album based on what I have read here. I am mostly at peace with not knowing how much I will enjoy it, though you always want improvement in experience from the last time, which was very high for me.
yep, tbh I definitely don't see an improvement on Gigaton but I do see something more to my taste than Backspacer or Lightning Bolt; nothing I've heard from Watt's production has annoyed me as much as late-career BO'B
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 1:22 pm
jeeeesus relax already
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:10 pm Posts: 36304
Totally.
I haven’t gone back to LB in a while but last time it was atrocious for me. I’m very happy with both of the new songs, specially with DM, so I’m confident with these reports that the new album seems to be a new thing for them too.
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 1:29 pm
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
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liebzz wrote:
I think what is tough is you will get a cohesively dark mood filtered through Watt’s sheen instead of the way Josh Evans might have produced and mixed it? I think that’s also the worry that the sheen won’t match the band’s approach? Watt was excellent for Earthlings because it was a moment for Eddie to let his hair down and create some poppy music (The Dark is a five star example of this)…that it translates here is up for grabs.
Why assume the mood of the record is dark?
Based on descriptions, the following tracks look to be almost “bright”, and in fact, we have heard some of these on metal door sessions.
Setting Sun Got to Give Won’t Tell Waiting for Stevie Something Special
That’s half the album.
In fact only upper hand (clip 4) and DM sound dark so far.
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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 1:45 pm
Fake NYC Setlist Relayer
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 7:55 pm Posts: 7652
DDWJMUVW wrote:
liebzz wrote:
I think what is tough is you will get a cohesively dark mood filtered through Watt’s sheen instead of the way Josh Evans might have produced and mixed it? I think that’s also the worry that the sheen won’t match the band’s approach? Watt was excellent for Earthlings because it was a moment for Eddie to let his hair down and create some poppy music (The Dark is a five star example of this)…that it translates here is up for grabs.
Why assume the mood of the record is dark?
Based on descriptions, the following tracks look to be almost “bright”, and in fact, we have heard some of these on metal door sessions.
Setting Sun Got to Give Won’t Tell Waiting for Stevie Something Special
That’s half the album.
In fact only upper hand (clip 4) and DM sound dark so far.
That is a great question. Perhaps I made that leap from the first two singles and the album title, plus a logical leap that the state of affairs in the world would naturally trigger a darker album from them? May be wrong, but that was sort of where it seemed this was going from a thematic perspective.
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 1:58 pm
Guys, I am not a moderator! I swear to God! Why does everyone think I'm a moderator?
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Val wrote:
stip wrote:
Val wrote:
Vindicator wrote:
Waiting for Stevie ***** (don’t want to hype this one up too much. But was my fav of the bunch. Haven’t had a high on first listen from a PJ song like this since Unthought Known. But I’m still not sure how it will land with everyone else. Maybe too poppy?)"
I wanna say Ouch.
Unthought Known?
Too poppy?
Ouch. Ouch.
Unthought Known was a super high first listen. it just doesnt have the layers of an all time classic
I listened to it just now.
Now my day is ruined.
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With this album at this stage in the bands career, I'm just hoping for a few songs that have that "magic" Basically, PJ songs that only PJ can make; songs that remind me of why I love this band. Every album has had it's moments...Gigaton was really surprising and had the following
DOTC Quick Escape Alright 7'Oclock Buckle Up Comes Then Goes
All of the above are killer songs (in my opinion) and songs that I actually seek out and go back to. Out of all the albums since ST....Gigaton had the most.
Lightning Bolt & Backspacer have barely any of those songs & I hardly ever get the urge to go back and listen to those albums.
I don't think PJ have made a truly perfect album since Yield. Binaural is debatable - The backside of that album is actually one of my favorite run of songs ever Riot Act comes close too. Love Boat Captain, Thumbing my Way, 1/2 Full, You Are & All Or None are all top tier songs for me, but the album as a whole just has too many mediocre songs sandwiched in between the classics. The shitty songs on Riot Act are songs that I probably haven't listened to or have wanted to listen to for over 20 years now.
This stage in the bands career is kind of like The Who post Keith Moon, the Stones post Exile, & U2 post Achtung Baby It's a period where you'll get some real great songs from time to time but mostly just a bunch of misses, formulaic, or just plain awful and uninspired songs.
Bukowski once wrote about the difficulty of now being a millionaire, and still trying to write like a hobo:
"As the spirit wanes, the form appears"
This may be the problem with modern day PJ
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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 2:32 pm
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
Joined: Wed December 13, 2023 9:44 pm Posts: 631
liebzz wrote:
DDWJMUVW wrote:
liebzz wrote:
I think what is tough is you will get a cohesively dark mood filtered through Watt’s sheen instead of the way Josh Evans might have produced and mixed it? I think that’s also the worry that the sheen won’t match the band’s approach? Watt was excellent for Earthlings because it was a moment for Eddie to let his hair down and create some poppy music (The Dark is a five star example of this)…that it translates here is up for grabs.
Why assume the mood of the record is dark?
Based on descriptions, the following tracks look to be almost “bright”, and in fact, we have heard some of these on metal door sessions.
Setting Sun Got to Give Won’t Tell Waiting for Stevie Something Special
That’s half the album.
In fact only upper hand (clip 4) and DM sound dark so far.
That is a great question. Perhaps I made that leap from the first two singles and the album title, plus a logical leap that the state of affairs in the world would naturally trigger a darker album from them? May be wrong, but that was sort of where it seemed this was going from a thematic perspective.
Totally possible of course. We’ve heard about 10 mins of this record (though about 3:30 is shit quality via the metal door clips). That means about 80% is a mystery to most all of us.
Of course you can have a lyrically dark/somber record with a tone and feel that isn’t quite as bleak. That said, more than one review has claimed there is some darkness of mood esp earlier in the record that evolves into acceptance and resolution by the end.
We will all know soon (but not soon enough)!
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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Thu March 28, 2024 2:40 pm
AnalLog
Joined: Sun January 06, 2013 4:25 am Posts: 1307
Of course im eating up all the little tidbits and takes but i cannot imagine writing a review of this album after one listen and with Ed in the freaking room especially.
I'm still super excited for this and not letting my mild disappointment with the 2nd single impact that. I'm fairly confident that when its all said and done Running is going to be a bottom 2-3 song on this album for me.
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