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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:36 am
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Joined: Mon February 04, 2013 3:03 pm Posts: 859
dad wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Strat wrote:
bluestate wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
It’s frustrating that for all the greatness this album offers, they still allow for some of their worst tendencies: the speedy punker that’ll give Ed a stroke, the syrupy song that should’ve been on a solo album, no regard for production. Just be great. Is that so hard?
Just have fun and enjoy this process.. is that so hard?
Yes. Enjoying life is a daily struggle for the guy!
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:39 am
Future Drummer
Joined: Thu March 21, 2013 1:08 am Posts: 2612 Location: Pennsyltucky
dad wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Strat wrote:
bluestate wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
It’s frustrating that for all the greatness this album offers, they still allow for some of their worst tendencies: the speedy punker that’ll give Ed a stroke, the syrupy song that should’ve been on a solo album, no regard for production. Just be great. Is that so hard?
Just have fun and enjoy this process.. is that so hard?
Yes. Enjoying life is a daily struggle for the guy!
I enjoy good audio, is that so hard
it certainly sounds hard.
The fact that we are all peacefully coexisting with Trag this week is testament to the power of the Jamily!
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:40 am
AnalLog
Joined: Sat February 23, 2013 1:55 am Posts: 1865
Arthur Morgan wrote:
Tj wrote:
I am thinking it's not Dark Matter as we thing of in physics, but dark matter as when you say "it's a dark matter, but we need to talk about blank. I think this is rock opera.
You might not be wrong about like a quasi concept album.
Link to the Ed interview from today at time stamp 7:40 the interviewer states that she loves the album because it takes her on a journey. His response is long but at the 9:30 mark he specifically says the only trick to sequencing this record was “telling the story, if there is one”
So, he uses the word “story” in relation to the sequencing of the songs. That is fascinating to me! I am going to have to closely read the lyrics to see if there is a narrative.
SOF and Setting Sun both mention setting suns. So he is possibly connecting the first and last song by using the same imagery.
And of course I may just be reading way too far and am embarrassing myself.
No there is something there . Yes the connection of Sof and Setting sun. Wfs and Won't Tell connect. Upper Hand and Something Special connect. Got to Give seams to connect to almost all of these. Wreckage comes to be about life lost or relationships lost . React Respond a plea not to fight but also a fight. . I'm thinking like fractured relationship the ends in the passing before a resolution. Dark Matter martial mistakes made kids pay ? Suicide others pay. I'll be the last one standing. There is clearly anger over loss maybe just maybe someone is hurt and angry as hell because someone passed. That person in turn is going make sure those that are left feel love and worth.
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:41 am
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Just listened top to bottom again. Setting Sun might just be my favorite closer across 12 albums.
I'll attempt a ranking of songs, why not:
Masterpiece - as good as the best songs in the entire PJ catalog. May open the third eye and/or experience ego death Setting Sun Waiting for Stevie Wreckage
Excellent - in the right moment, energy, and lighting, might actually jizz in pants a little Won't Tell Scared of Fear Got To Give React, Respond
Really Freakin' Good - above average chance of breaking out into fist pumps and singalongs Upper hand Dark Matter Running
Pretty Good - Enjoyable, like a warm chocolate chip cookie Something Special
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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:43 am
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
Joined: Mon February 04, 2013 3:03 pm Posts: 859
Tj wrote:
Arthur Morgan wrote:
Tj wrote:
I am thinking it's not Dark Matter as we thing of in physics, but dark matter as when you say "it's a dark matter, but we need to talk about blank. I think this is rock opera.
You might not be wrong about like a quasi concept album.
Link to the Ed interview from today at time stamp 7:40 the interviewer states that she loves the album because it takes her on a journey. His response is long but at the 9:30 mark he specifically says the only trick to sequencing this record was “telling the story, if there is one”
So, he uses the word “story” in relation to the sequencing of the songs. That is fascinating to me! I am going to have to closely read the lyrics to see if there is a narrative.
SOF and Setting Sun both mention setting suns. So he is possibly connecting the first and last song by using the same imagery.
And of course I may just be reading way too far and am embarrassing myself.
No there is something there . Yes the connection of Sof and Setting sun. Wfs and Won't Tell connect. Upper Hand and Something Special connect. Got to Give seams to connect to almost all of these. Wreckage comes to be about life lost or relationships lost . React Respond a plea not to fight but also a fight. . I'm thinking like fractured relationship the ends in the passing before a resolution. Dark Matter martial mistakes made kids pay ? Suicide others pay. I'll be the last one standing. There is clearly anger over loss maybe just maybe someone is hurt and angry as hell because someone passed. That person in turn is going make sure those that are left feel love and worth.
Brother The Cloud is the only song I wish Eddie had reserved for this. Fits properly.
_________________ Bastard! Bastard! Bastard!
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Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:44 am
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 40035
Hypnos wrote:
Strat wrote:
Hypnos wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
It’s frustrating that for all the greatness this album offers, they still allow for some of their worst tendencies: the speedy punker that’ll give Ed a stroke, the syrupy song that should’ve been on a solo album, no regard for production. Just be great. Is that so hard?
Yield had the same tropes, spritzy rocker in MFC, and syrupy song aka Wishlist and is unabashedly loved by the fans. So I dont see the problem in that.
Wishlist is not syrupy like Something special. Not even close.
Wishlist is .....subtle. Insecure. Beautiful. Restrained
I love something special, but not even the same thing.
(if that is what your comparison was)
We all love Wishlist, but lets not pretend is not cheesy af.
wishlist is sentimental, but I think that means something else. Cheesy has a winking syrupyness to it, and Wishlist is deathly sincere
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:44 am
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
Joined: Wed February 26, 2020 8:43 am Posts: 759
Tj wrote:
Arthur Morgan wrote:
Tj wrote:
I am thinking it's not Dark Matter as we thing of in physics, but dark matter as when you say "it's a dark matter, but we need to talk about blank. I think this is rock opera.
You might not be wrong about like a quasi concept album.
Link to the Ed interview from today at time stamp 7:40 the interviewer states that she loves the album because it takes her on a journey. His response is long but at the 9:30 mark he specifically says the only trick to sequencing this record was “telling the story, if there is one”
So, he uses the word “story” in relation to the sequencing of the songs. That is fascinating to me! I am going to have to closely read the lyrics to see if there is a narrative.
SOF and Setting Sun both mention setting suns. So he is possibly connecting the first and last song by using the same imagery.
And of course I may just be reading way too far and am embarrassing myself.
No there is something there . Yes the connection of Sof and Setting sun. Wfs and Won't Tell connect. Upper Hand and Something Special connect. Got to Give seams to connect to almost all of these. Wreckage comes to be about life lost or relationships lost . React Respond a plea not to fight but also a fight. . I'm thinking like fractured relationship the ends in the passing before a resolution. Dark Matter martial mistakes made kids pay ? Suicide others pay. I'll be the last one standing. There is clearly anger over loss maybe just maybe someone is hurt and angry as hell because someone passed. That person in turn is going make sure those that are left feel love and worth.
OoooOOOOOooooOOHHH you might be onto something here. I see the Won't Tell and Waiting for Stevie connection. Scared of Fear and Setting Sun have a connection. What's the Upper Hand and Something Special connection?
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:49 am
The worst
Joined: Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 40035
Eddie wrote many of these lyrics in pretty close proximity to each other, so while I think there's always a lot of thematic continuity in their albums (that's how Eddie writes), the imagery and phrasing recurs a lot more. It's either what's on his mind or an idea that landed well he comes back to. Plus since Eddie wrote all the lyrics there aren't dislocating moments that interrupt the flow of ideas that happen when Matt/Jeff/Stone lyrics get interspersed. There are ideas he's grappling with, but I don't know that there's a narrative
I've only been through the lyrics once, to be fair
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:49 am
AnalLog
Joined: Sat February 23, 2013 1:55 am Posts: 1865
Fattie_Vedder wrote:
Tj wrote:
Arthur Morgan wrote:
Tj wrote:
I am thinking it's not Dark Matter as we thing of in physics, but dark matter as when you say "it's a dark matter, but we need to talk about blank. I think this is rock opera.
You might not be wrong about like a quasi concept album.
Link to the Ed interview from today at time stamp 7:40 the interviewer states that she loves the album because it takes her on a journey. His response is long but at the 9:30 mark he specifically says the only trick to sequencing this record was “telling the story, if there is one”
So, he uses the word “story” in relation to the sequencing of the songs. That is fascinating to me! I am going to have to closely read the lyrics to see if there is a narrative.
SOF and Setting Sun both mention setting suns. So he is possibly connecting the first and last song by using the same imagery.
And of course I may just be reading way too far and am embarrassing myself.
No there is something there . Yes the connection of Sof and Setting sun. Wfs and Won't Tell connect. Upper Hand and Something Special connect. Got to Give seams to connect to almost all of these. Wreckage comes to be about life lost or relationships lost . React Respond a plea not to fight but also a fight. . I'm thinking like fractured relationship the ends in the passing before a resolution. Dark Matter martial mistakes made kids pay ? Suicide others pay. I'll be the last one standing. There is clearly anger over loss maybe just maybe someone is hurt and angry as hell because someone passed. That person in turn is going make sure those that are left feel love and worth.
OoooOOOOOooooOOHHH you might be onto something here. I see the Won't Tell and Waiting for Stevie connection. Scared of Fear and Setting Sun have a connection. What's the Upper Hand and Something Special connection?
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:50 am
Future Drummer
Joined: Fri January 04, 2013 1:46 am Posts: 2843 Location: Connecticut
stip wrote:
Hypnos wrote:
Strat wrote:
Hypnos wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
It’s frustrating that for all the greatness this album offers, they still allow for some of their worst tendencies: the speedy punker that’ll give Ed a stroke, the syrupy song that should’ve been on a solo album, no regard for production. Just be great. Is that so hard?
Yield had the same tropes, spritzy rocker in MFC, and syrupy song aka Wishlist and is unabashedly loved by the fans. So I dont see the problem in that.
Wishlist is not syrupy like Something special. Not even close.
Wishlist is .....subtle. Insecure. Beautiful. Restrained
I love something special, but not even the same thing.
(if that is what your comparison was)
We all love Wishlist, but lets not pretend is not cheesy af.
wishlist is sentimental, but I think that means something else. Cheesy has a winking syrupyness to it, and Wishlist is deathly sincere
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:50 am
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
Joined: Mon February 04, 2013 3:03 pm Posts: 859
stip wrote:
Hypnos wrote:
Strat wrote:
Hypnos wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
It’s frustrating that for all the greatness this album offers, they still allow for some of their worst tendencies: the speedy punker that’ll give Ed a stroke, the syrupy song that should’ve been on a solo album, no regard for production. Just be great. Is that so hard?
Yield had the same tropes, spritzy rocker in MFC, and syrupy song aka Wishlist and is unabashedly loved by the fans. So I dont see the problem in that.
Wishlist is not syrupy like Something special. Not even close.
Wishlist is .....subtle. Insecure. Beautiful. Restrained
I love something special, but not even the same thing.
(if that is what your comparison was)
We all love Wishlist, but lets not pretend is not cheesy af.
wishlist is sentimental, but I think that means something else. Cheesy has a winking syrupyness to it, and Wishlist is deathly sincere
Wishlist + old Ed = syrupy. The thin line of sentimental and cheesy is crossed with age.
Post subject: Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread
Posted: Fri April 19, 2024 2:53 am
The Master
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 4:18 am Posts: 28212
dad wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Strat wrote:
bluestate wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
It’s frustrating that for all the greatness this album offers, they still allow for some of their worst tendencies: the speedy punker that’ll give Ed a stroke, the syrupy song that should’ve been on a solo album, no regard for production. Just be great. Is that so hard?
Just have fun and enjoy this process.. is that so hard?
Yes. Enjoying life is a daily struggle for the guy!
I enjoy good audio, is that so hard
it certainly sounds hard.
It all started with trag critiquing his friends’ farts in grade school.
It’s frustrating that for all the greatness this album offers, they still allow for some of their worst tendencies: the speedy punker that’ll give Ed a stroke, the syrupy song that should’ve been on a solo album, no regard for production. Just be great. Is that so hard?
Just have fun and enjoy this process.. is that so hard?
Yes. Enjoying life is a daily struggle for the guy!
I enjoy good audio, is that so hard
it certainly sounds hard.
It all started with trag critiquing his friends’ farts in grade school.
nah. Nothin to critique. Just beautiful natural room sound.
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