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liebzz · **Joined:** Thu January 03, 2013 7:55 pm **Posts:** 7652

I thought it was because he was too right wing in addition. Got a gun, fact I got two…

stip · **Joined:** Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm **Posts:** 39946

Birds in Hell wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Imagine getting fired and still going on about it and complaining about it nearly 30 years later.

He might have a new and better role if he wasn’t pissing and moaning about that one job all this time.

Can you sympathise with his situation a little bit?

It's more than just losing one job. Attaining a career as a professional musician on that level of success is something that happens to a tiny handful of people and requires a combination of genuine talent with an immense dose of good luck (right place, right time, right band, etc.)

That career was taken away almost as quickly as it began in a way he didn't expect (and arguably didn't deserve) and he was right back to square one, no doubt suspecting he would never have a pathway to that level of professional success again.

I don't think everyone can dust themselves off from that and move on, at least not very easily.

Agreed. Under those circumstances (and the fact that I'm sure this is mentioned in 95% of the press related conversations he has) I think Dave A has always been remarkably level about the whole thing

stip · **Joined:** Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm **Posts:** 39946

Birds in Hell wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Imagine getting fired and still going on about it and complaining about it nearly 30 years later.

He might have a new and better role if he wasn’t pissing and moaning about that one job all this time.

Can you sympathise with his situation a little bit?

It's more than just losing one job. Attaining a career as a professional musician on that level of success is something that happens to a tiny handful of people and requires a combination of genuine talent with an immense dose of good luck (right place, right time, right band, etc.)

That career was taken away almost as quickly as it began in a way he didn't expect (and arguably didn't deserve) and he was right back to square one, no doubt suspecting he would never have a pathway to that level of professional success again.

I don't think everyone can dust themselves off from that and move on, at least not very easily.

Agreed. Under those circumstances (and the fact that I'm sure this is mentioned in 95% of the press related conversations he has) I think Dave A has always been remarkably level about the whole thing

tommy · **Joined:** Sat August 05, 2023 11:13 pm **Posts:** 2577

96583UP wrote:

a bit ironic though that Ed purged him bc Dave was too corporate/conformist and now Ed is the one palling around with billionaires doing private corporate gigs

I thought he was fired for smiling too much

wease · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 1:26 pm

tommy wrote:

96583UP wrote:

a bit ironic though that Ed purged him bc Dave was too corporate/conformist and now Ed is the one palling around with billionaires doing private corporate gigs

I thought he was fired for smiling too much

Who does this motherfucker think he is having a good time?

McParadigm · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 1:56 am **Posts:** 21847

If I had been a playing member of Pearl Jam for one rehearsal weekend on their worst year, I would never shut up about it. Dave has every reason to still be thinking about that stuff 30 years later.

I, on the other hand, do not.

Stop relitigating, guys. You’re just hangry.

tragabigzanda · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 2:41 pm

Let’s talk more about the Immortality drums.

wease · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 2:48 pm

tragabigzanda wrote:

Let’s talk more about the Immortality drums.

Let’s. Brushes or reeds?

And they’re obviously mic’d differently than the rest of the record. More similar to Elderly Woman. And maybe Nothingman.

McParadigm · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 1:56 am **Posts:** 21847

The song as written had no business turning out that superb. It is a textbook example of how playing (by all involved) can elevate a piece of music.

tragabigzanda · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 3:00 pm

wease wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Let’s talk more about the Immortality drums.

Let’s. Brushes or reeds?

And they’re obviously mic’d differently than the rest of the record. More similar to Elderly Woman. And maybe Nothingman.

My vote is for reeds — those tom hits have too much girth for brushes.

Being pedantic, but I think probably it’s mic’d the same but mixed differently, with more of an emphasis on the OHs and space around the kit. It makes the song feel 3D in a way that most of Vitalogy doesn’t — to your point, you’re totally right, a lot like Elderly Woman; maybe not so much like Nothingman, where the drum ambience is more about a reverb effect.

wease · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 3:26 pm

tragabigzanda wrote:

wease wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Let’s talk more about the Immortality drums.

Let’s. Brushes or reeds?

And they’re obviously mic’d differently than the rest of the record. More similar to Elderly Woman. And maybe Nothingman.

My vote is for reeds — those tom hits have too much girth for brushes.

Being pedantic, but I think probably it’s mic’d the same but mixed differently, with more of an emphasis on the OHs and space around the kit. It makes the song feel 3D in a way that most of Vitalogy doesn’t — to your point, you’re totally right, a lot like Elderly Woman; maybe not so much like Nothingman, where the drum ambience is more about a reverb effect.

My thoughts are almost the same re: reeds, but I was thinking the cymbal strikes instead of toms.

Maybe different mics on the drums? Or can that feel be accomplished with just the mix?

tragabigzanda · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 3:51 pm

Hmm that’s an interesting point about the cymbals…maybe he switches to the butt end?

Could be different mics but could just as easily be that BOB cranked the OH faders and pulled back on the close mics.

Strat · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 3:55 pm

ill ask

Chris_H_2 · **Posted:** Fri January 12, 2024 4:24 pm

McParadigm wrote:

The song as written had no business turning out that superb. It is a textbook example of how playing (by all involved) can elevate a piece of music.

and a lack of collaboration on future ed vedder-penned songs may explain why so many of them are so dull and paint-by-numbers.

96583UP · **Joined:** Sun September 15, 2013 5:50 am **Posts:** 22427

Strat wrote:

ill ask

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