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Author:  Norris [ Sun April 01, 2018 8:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
dimejinky99 wrote:
StonyGold wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
StonyGold wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
Nothing justifies treating an employee like that


That gif just legit broke my heart. :shake:



Not shouting at you but you have no idea how bad that guy was at his job and consistently bad over years, multiple nights on every tour he would fuck Up. There’s a long build up to him being fired and he not only deserved it, his behaviour afterwards confirmed he needed to be fired and deserved it.


Still no excuse to behave the way he did in this gif unless this guy was maliciously sabotaging them or something. Can you share a link or video or something backing this behavior up?



What would be better? A google article or my own first hand account? I’ve seen pj only 39 tines since 96 to 2015 and the guy has fucked up almost every time. I’ve pals seen em hundreds of times and all agree while it wasn’t classy the way it was done. It had to happen.
The last tour he was in he fucked up every single night. He was out of his mind every night.
You can’t work for a band like pj and be off your face every night while ‘working’

So you have him go out for waffles with Stone and tell him you're moving on with him.
Author:  Jorge [ Sun April 01, 2018 8:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
Nobody here is saying "Ed was wrong for firing him". But the behavior in the gif is really hard to defend.
Author:  LetMeSleep [ Sun April 01, 2018 8:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
Exactly Chud and Jorge. If that is how he conducts himself with an employee at age 50, wow.
Author:  StonyGold [ Sun April 01, 2018 8:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
dimejinky99 wrote:


What would be better? A google article or my own first hand account? I’ve seen pj only 39 tines since 96 to 2015 and the guy has fucked up almost every time. I’ve pals seen em hundreds of times and all agree while it wasn’t classy the way it was done. It had to happen.
The last tour he was in he fucked up every single night. He was out of his mind every night.
You can’t work for a band like pj and be off your face every night while ‘working’


I was just looking for context. As others have pointed out, it's hard to excuse that sort of behavior, especially given a five second clip.

Also, I'm not doubting that this dude fucked up throughout the years you've watched them play. But you're looking from the outside in. I was interested to know if there was evidence from the band members themselves or their inner circle that would explain Ed's assholery.
Author:  Sgt. Crackpot [ Sun April 01, 2018 10:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
LetMeSleep wrote:
Exactly Stud and IWANTONETOO!. If that is how he conducts himself with an employee at age 50, wow.

Yep, team chud, jorge and letmesleep.
Author:  Norris [ Sun April 01, 2018 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
FarkYeaaaah wrote:
Exactly Stud and IWANTONETOO!. If that is how he conducts himself with an employee at age 50, wow.

Yep, team Stud, IWANTONETOO! and FarkYeaaaah.

Who's Screech?
Author:  Sgt. Crackpot [ Sun April 01, 2018 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
FarkYeaaaah wrote:
Exactly Stud and IWANTONETOO!. If that is how he conducts himself with an employee at age 50, wow.

Yep, team Stud, IWANTONETOO! and FarkYeaaaah.

Who's Screech?

5kitch
Author:  LuNY [ Tue April 03, 2018 5:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Creed Videos
theplatypus wrote:
Nothing justifies treating an employee like that


People are reacting like Vedder punched the guy in the dick and pissed in his mouth. Ed tossed his guitar on the ground, it is Ed's guitar after all. If the tech sucked at his job he deserved to be fucked with, ever think it is REALLY annoying to be a band member at that level and have screw ups like that in front of thousands of paying customers? I'm going to go swing on my giant outdoor lightbulb now to relieve the stress this fucking forum gives me.
Author:  Jorge [ Tue April 03, 2018 5:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Throwing the guitar on the ground to purposely humiliate your employee instead of just handing it to him (when he's reaching out to grab it) is a dick move. If you think that's alright, sorry, you are a dick
Author:  LuNY [ Tue April 03, 2018 5:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
theplatypus wrote:
Throwing the guitar on the ground to purposely humiliate your employee instead of just handing it to him (when he's reaching out to grab it) is a dick move. If you think that's alright, sorry, you are a dick



Just let me swing on the fucking lightbulb!
Author:  Habitman [ Tue April 03, 2018 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Cool deconstruction of "Jeremy"
Author:  PHATJ [ Wed April 04, 2018 12:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Habitman wrote:
Cool deconstruction of "Jeremy"


That was pretty fucking cool. Cello and acoustic guitar,... who knew. I love this song.
Author:  evenslow [ Wed April 04, 2018 1:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
PHATJ wrote:
Habitman wrote:
Cool deconstruction of "Jeremy"


That was pretty fucking cool. Cello and acoustic guitar,... who knew. I love this song.

That was better than porn.
Author:  StonyGold [ Wed April 04, 2018 1:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Habitman wrote:
Cool deconstruction of "Jeremy"



This breakdown was fantastic. These nuances is precisely what Pearl Jam has been lacking in their more recent records.
Author:  Birds in Hell [ Wed April 04, 2018 1:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
StonyGold wrote:
Habitman wrote:
Cool deconstruction of "Jeremy"



This breakdown was fantastic. These nuances is precisely what Pearl Jam has been lacking in their more recent records.

Yeah, this was great.

I never noticed that momentary dissonance in the chorus, where the acoustic guitar plays Emin while everyone is on F and Stone’s great melodic part is in Amin.

Really enjoyed the highlighting of how great Dave Krusen’s drumming is on the song too, and the discussion of how so many songs on the early records had that signature rhymic emphasis.

(What happened to this band, etc.)
Author:  Strat [ Wed April 04, 2018 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Birds in Hell wrote:
StonyGold wrote:
Habitman wrote:
Cool deconstruction of "Jeremy"



This breakdown was fantastic. These nuances is precisely what Pearl Jam has been lacking in their more recent records.

Yeah, this was great.

I never noticed that momentary dissonance in the chorus, where the acoustic guitar plays Emin while everyone is on F and Stone’s great melodic part is in Amin.

Really enjoyed the highlighting of how great Dave Krusen’s drumming is on the song too, and the discussion of how so many songs on the early records had that signature rhymic emphasis.

(What happened to this band, etc.)


Not to mention mikes descending octave run he also throws in there on occasion (mostly live) from like C, B, A and other various runs he does.
Author:  StonyGold [ Wed April 04, 2018 2:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Birds in Hell wrote:

Really enjoyed the highlighting of how great Dave Krusen’s drumming is on the song too, and the discussion of how so many songs on the early records had that signature rhymic emphasis.

(What happened to this band, etc.)


That's exactly what stood out to me the most too. The drumming. Dave K and Dave A had something really special.

Somebody should send this video to PJ. :lol:
Author:  Strat [ Wed April 04, 2018 2:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
Jeff and Stone have both mentioned how back then they didnt really even know how to "write a song". This is why the songs were so interesting and reasonably unique. Its once they aged and started thinking too much. Simplifying it. Thats why it went down hill. Its not the drummer.
Author:  Strat [ Wed April 04, 2018 2:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
JA talks briefly about it in the movie. And stone Gossard is on PJ Radio talking about it as well.

They need to shed this idea of what a song is supposed to be and start over again.
Author:  Birds in Hell [ Wed April 04, 2018 2:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pearl Jam Videos
I don’t know how much I buy that inexperience played a role in how good their early material was. Stone and Jeff had been writing for years and had already recorded two major label albums at that point (Mother Love Bone’s Apple and Temple of the Dog).

What it made me think of is Stone talking (maybe in SVT?) about how it was difficult adjustment to cede control of the songwriting as it’s his natural tendency to be more detail-oriented and ornate, whereas Ed has a much more direct, simple style.
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