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stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
Tue May 03, 2016 4:30 pm
tragabigzanda wrote:stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
I think the most obvious weirdness is that both chords of the main riff blast through your speakers on an upbeat rather than a downbeat.
Tue May 03, 2016 4:33 pm
McParadigm wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
I think the most obvious weirdness is that both chords of the main riff blast through your speakers on an upbeat rather than a downbeat.
Yeah, I do like that. It gives it a small dose of Rolling Stones, and that serves it well. Would that this band had more of that.
Tue May 03, 2016 4:41 pm
tragabigzanda wrote:McParadigm wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
I think the most obvious weirdness is that both chords of the main riff blast through your speakers on an upbeat rather than a downbeat.
Yeah, I do like that. It gives it a small dose of Rolling Stones, and that serves it well. Would that this band had more of that.
Matt, Stone, and Jeff need to write the next album together in a vacuum. Then let Ed and Mike fit their parts in after the rhythm tracks have been sorted out.
Tue May 03, 2016 4:42 pm
EJ wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:McParadigm wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
I think the most obvious weirdness is that both chords of the main riff blast through your speakers on an upbeat rather than a downbeat.
Yeah, I do like that. It gives it a small dose of Rolling Stones, and that serves it well. Would that this band had more of that.
Matt, Stone, and Jeff need to write the next album together in a vacuum. Then let Ed and Mike fit their parts in after the rhythm tracks have been sorted out.
Didn't they initially do that for Backspacer up at Jeff's place in MT?
Tue May 03, 2016 5:02 pm
EJ wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:McParadigm wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
I think the most obvious weirdness is that both chords of the main riff blast through your speakers on an upbeat rather than a downbeat.
Yeah, I do like that. It gives it a small dose of Rolling Stones, and that serves it well. Would that this band had more of that.
Matt, Stone, and Jeff need to write the next album together in a vacuum. Then let Ed and Mike fit their parts in after the rhythm tracks have been sorted out.
Didn't they initially do that for Backspacer up at Jeff's place in MT?
Tue May 03, 2016 9:13 pm
McParadigm wrote:EJ wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:McParadigm wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
I think the most obvious weirdness is that both chords of the main riff blast through your speakers on an upbeat rather than a downbeat.
Yeah, I do like that. It gives it a small dose of Rolling Stones, and that serves it well. Would that this band had more of that.
Matt, Stone, and Jeff need to write the next album together in a vacuum. Then let Ed and Mike fit their parts in after the rhythm tracks have been sorted out.
Didn't they initially do that for Backspacer up at Jeff's place in MT?
There isn't a lot of Keith Richards in them anyways, and the whole "everyone demos complete songs" thing just strips it further into singer-songwriter directness, but my guess is the final step to it becoming a dull streamlined rock record is when Ed picks his choices from the always-described "30 or 40 ideas" they start with. How many variations have we heard of "if Ed doesn't feel it, it goes."
Tue May 03, 2016 10:18 pm
Mine wrote:McParadigm wrote:EJ wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:McParadigm wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:stip wrote:However they achieve it, or whatever you want to call it, there's a stuttering uncertain quality to the way it is executed, like it's tripping over its own feet trying to get going, that I think fits the song really well and I find compelling, rather than cumbersome. That's probably the last word I'd use, actually (well, not the last) since it's always felt like a song that is surprisingly light and limber on its feet, despite the heavier feel.
I think the most obvious weirdness is that both chords of the main riff blast through your speakers on an upbeat rather than a downbeat.
Yeah, I do like that. It gives it a small dose of Rolling Stones, and that serves it well. Would that this band had more of that.
Matt, Stone, and Jeff need to write the next album together in a vacuum. Then let Ed and Mike fit their parts in after the rhythm tracks have been sorted out.
Didn't they initially do that for Backspacer up at Jeff's place in MT?
There isn't a lot of Keith Richards in them anyways, and the whole "everyone demos complete songs" thing just strips it further into singer-songwriter directness, but my guess is the final step to it becoming a dull streamlined rock record is when Ed picks his choices from the always-described "30 or 40 ideas" they start with. How many variations have we heard of "if Ed doesn't feel it, it goes."
What is the alternative (at this point)? Force Ed to write lyrics and melody to songs he doesn't feel, achieving results that people will detest anyway.
Besides what we heard of their ideas isn't exactly exiting. It's just different kinds of mediocre that variously appeal to people based on their taste rather than those ideas being particularly promising on their own.
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stip wrote:michael stipe played the exact same function in REM until the end. its why they have almost no bsides. lots if ideas, but stipe determined what became a song.
i dont think this is a process issue as much as it is just not liking what is currently influencing Ed
Wed May 04, 2016 2:57 am
Ed Vedder wrote:The way we write as a group, we all bring songs in and invariably in the past it would take a lot of time to get things right. Now I jump on things immediately. The band will have a piece of music with no lyrics, and now it has to be a knockout in the first round. The ones that go 15 rounds, they become harder to appreciate, because you only remember the battle after they’re done. If you can get in there right away, you capture something in those first 15 minutes. That’s the way it seems to be working best for us.