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Favorite Lightning Bolt song
Getaway 31%  31%  [ 64 ]
Mind Your Manners 4%  4%  [ 9 ]
Sirens 30%  30%  [ 61 ]
Lightning Bolt 11%  11%  [ 22 ]
Swallowed Whole 9%  9%  [ 19 ]
Let the Records Play 5%  5%  [ 11 ]
Future Days 1%  1%  [ 3 ]
Betterman (live) 8%  8%  [ 16 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
PostPosted: Thu July 11, 2013 8:20 pm 
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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
SOMEONE PLEASE LOOK AT THEM CLAPPING


I saw it and am looking forward to the clapping.


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Will there be two album covers?

I wonder if one is the Ten Club version.



Nope, it would have Ten Club stickers all over it if that was the case.

I'm guessing the stickers come separate, so you can put them on yourself. However you like!


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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
SOMEONE PLEASE LOOK AT THEM CLAPPING


Yup, saw it first time I watched that. Intriguing.


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First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Now that I've given it a few listens I agree with you. Gone are the days of music that was soulful and could breathe and allowed the listener to absorb the space in a song. No more Present Tenses or Faithfuls or Rivals. Even the claustrophobia of Vitalogy had a kind of menacingly evocative ether than balanced it's aggressiveness. Now everything's compressed, delivered with an entirely unwarranted urgency that subordinates nuance to immediacy. Too bad, really.



you may be right in the end, but comparing an under 3 minute punk blast to mid tempo builders like present tense, faithful, or rival doesn't make sense. that's like complaining that STBC didn't have the soulfulness of immortality.



Here's the thing... If this song is indicative of the whole album- yuck. If this is the Grievance or Save You of the overall album I like it. It does have a certain menacing rhythm that has been missing from the "heavier" songs on the last 2 albums.

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stip wrote:
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First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Now that I've given it a few listens I agree with you. Gone are the days of music that was soulful and could breathe and allowed the listener to absorb the space in a song. No more Present Tenses or Faithfuls or Rivals. Even the claustrophobia of Vitalogy had a kind of menacingly evocative ether than balanced it's aggressiveness. Now everything's compressed, delivered with an entirely unwarranted urgency that subordinates nuance to immediacy. Too bad, really.



you may be right in the end, but comparing an under 3 minute punk blast to mid tempo builders like present tense, faithful, or rival doesn't make sense. that's like complaining that STBC didn't have the soulfulness of immortality.


Yeah, I don't get that criticism at all. This is just a lead single.


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First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Now that I've given it a few listens I agree with you. Gone are the days of music that was soulful and could breathe and allowed the listener to absorb the space in a song. No more Present Tenses or Faithfuls or Rivals. Even the claustrophobia of Vitalogy had a kind of menacingly evocative ether than balanced it's aggressiveness. Now everything's compressed, delivered with an entirely unwarranted urgency that subordinates nuance to immediacy. Too bad, really.

About what I expected.

Have you listened to Moonlander yet?


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@SkitchP wrote:
Here's the thing... If this song is indicative of the whole album- yuck. If this is the Grievance or Save You of the overall album I like it. It does have a certain menacing rhythm that has been missing from the "heavier" songs on the last 2 albums.
team SkitchP.

everybody expounding on anything other than this one track, gets a:

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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
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stip wrote:
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First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Now that I've given it a few listens I agree with you. Gone are the days of music that was soulful and could breathe and allowed the listener to absorb the space in a song. No more Present Tenses or Faithfuls or Rivals. Even the claustrophobia of Vitalogy had a kind of menacingly evocative ether than balanced it's aggressiveness. Now everything's compressed, delivered with an entirely unwarranted urgency that subordinates nuance to immediacy. Too bad, really.



you may be right in the end, but comparing an under 3 minute punk blast to mid tempo builders like present tense, faithful, or rival doesn't make sense. that's like complaining that STBC didn't have the soulfulness of immortality.

Honest question: Given what we know about the artwork, the album title, the first single, and the entirety of Pearl Jam's post-2003 output, do you expect this album to feature textured, delicate music that values the songwriting/listening journey and creative process over technical proficiency and individual virtuosity?

Post-2003 Pearl Jam seems to be about crafting songs that compartmentalize each member's particular strengths (LISTEN TO MIKE SHRED AND ED WAIL AND MATT....DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT DRUMMERS DO WELL) instead of crafting cohesive and coherent music that is more than the sum of its parts. Given the available information, I don't expect that to change. And that's a bummer for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
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stip wrote:
--- wrote:
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First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Now that I've given it a few listens I agree with you. Gone are the days of music that was soulful and could breathe and allowed the listener to absorb the space in a song. No more Present Tenses or Faithfuls or Rivals. Even the claustrophobia of Vitalogy had a kind of menacingly evocative ether than balanced it's aggressiveness. Now everything's compressed, delivered with an entirely unwarranted urgency that subordinates nuance to immediacy. Too bad, really.



you may be right in the end, but comparing an under 3 minute punk blast to mid tempo builders like present tense, faithful, or rival doesn't make sense. that's like complaining that STBC didn't have the soulfulness of immortality.

Honest question: Given what we know about the artwork, the album title, the first single, and the entirety of Pearl Jam's post-2003 output, do you expect this album to feature textured, delicate music that values the songwriting/listening journey and creative process over technical proficiency and individual virtuosity?

Post-2003 Pearl Jam seems to be about crafting songs that compartmentalize each member's particular strengths (LISTEN TO MIKE SHRED AND ED WAIL AND MATT....DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT DRUMMERS DO WELL) instead of crafting cohesive and coherent music that is more than the sum of its parts. Given the available information, I don't expect that to change. And that's a bummer for me.


This sums up how I think Pearl Jam believes it should be delivering its product to the masses . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwM_-jyKQIs


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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
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well you know I hold the post 03 output in higher esteem than you do so it's hard for me to answer that. Like I said, you may very well be right in the end. PJ may not write songs you like anymore. But this is a lead single. I think it can tell us a few things


1. What is the production of the album gonna sound like (too compressed, layered, immediate, distant)?


2. What is the album going to be about? With some exceptions the lead singles tend to hint at the major themes.

3. How does Eddie sound?

Otherwise, while it makes sense to take issue (if you have issues) with how this works as a fast aggressive song, that's really all you can do so far. You can't really judge anything about how the mid tempo, slower, or more expansive songs (assuming there are some) will sound.

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Farmer John wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
SOMEONE PLEASE LOOK AT THEM CLAPPING


I saw it and am looking forward to the clapping.


Classic. :nice:

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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
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First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Now that I've given it a few listens I agree with you. Gone are the days of music that was soulful and could breathe and allowed the listener to absorb the space in a song. No more Present Tenses or Faithfuls or Rivals. Even the claustrophobia of Vitalogy had a kind of menacingly evocative ether than balanced it's aggressiveness. Now everything's compressed, delivered with an entirely unwarranted urgency that subordinates nuance to immediacy. Too bad, really.



you may be right in the end, but comparing an under 3 minute punk blast to mid tempo builders like present tense, faithful, or rival doesn't make sense. that's like complaining that STBC didn't have the soulfulness of immortality.

Honest question: Given what we know about the artwork, the album title, the first single, and the entirety of Pearl Jam's post-2003 output, do you expect this album to feature textured, delicate music that values the songwriting/listening journey and creative process over technical proficiency and individual virtuosity?

Post-2003 Pearl Jam seems to be about crafting songs that compartmentalize each member's particular strengths (LISTEN TO MIKE SHRED AND ED WAIL AND MATT....DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT DRUMMERS DO WELL) instead of crafting cohesive and coherent music that is more than the sum of its parts. Given the available information, I don't expect that to change. And that's a bummer for me.

So much this.


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Post-2003 Pearl Jam seems to be about crafting songs that compartmentalize each member's particular strengths (LISTEN TO MIKE SHRED AND ED WAIL AND MATT....DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT DRUMMERS DO WELL) instead of crafting cohesive and coherent music that is more than the sum of its parts. Given the available information, I don't expect that to change. And that's a bummer for me.


Seems like after 10 years you'd be used to this band not giving you exactly what you want.


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Post-2003 Pearl Jam seems to be about crafting songs that compartmentalize each member's particular strengths (LISTEN TO MIKE SHRED AND ED WAIL AND MATT....DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT DRUMMERS DO WELL) instead of crafting cohesive and coherent music that is more than the sum of its parts. Given the available information, I don't expect that to change. And that's a bummer for me.


Seems like after 10 years you'd be used to this band not giving you exactly what you want.

It sounds like he is used to that, seeing as he said "I don't expect that to change".


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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
SOMEONE PLEASE LOOK AT THEM CLAPPING


Looks like way too much unwarranted urgency in those claps.


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Kevin Davis wrote:
First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

I'm hearing more late-period Husker Du in the bridge.


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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
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Looks like way too much unwarranted urgency in those claps.


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First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Now that I've given it a few listens I agree with you. Gone are the days of music that was soulful and could breathe and allowed the listener to absorb the space in a song. No more Present Tenses or Faithfuls or Rivals. Even the claustrophobia of Vitalogy had a kind of menacingly evocative ether than balanced it's aggressiveness. Now everything's compressed, delivered with an entirely unwarranted urgency that subordinates nuance to immediacy. Too bad, really.



you may be right in the end, but comparing an under 3 minute punk blast to mid tempo builders like present tense, faithful, or rival doesn't make sense. that's like complaining that STBC didn't have the soulfulness of immortality.

Honest question: Given what we know about the artwork, the album title, the first single, and the entirety of Pearl Jam's post-2003 output, do you expect this album to feature textured, delicate music that values the songwriting/listening journey and creative process over technical proficiency and individual virtuosity?

Post-2003 Pearl Jam seems to be about crafting songs that compartmentalize each member's particular strengths (LISTEN TO MIKE SHRED AND ED WAIL AND MATT....DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT DRUMMERS DO WELL) instead of crafting cohesive and coherent music that is more than the sum of its parts. Given the available information, I don't expect that to change. And that's a bummer for me.

So much this.


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I think I like MYM...I'll give it more time to sink in, but I agree with what --- (thodoks???) wrote. I like heavy PJ, and BOJ is one of my favorites, but I also like arty PJ, and arty "heavy" tunes like Hail Hail. Basically, I miss the Jack Irons influence in this band. To me, they just haven't been as good without him.


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