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Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 3:42 am
Misplaced My Sponge
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durdencommatyler wrote:
turned2black wrote:
I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.
I think Stone's voice is more interesting and cleaner on Bayleaf than Ed's on Backspacer. Pound for pound. There are exceptions, of course. But Stone sounds great on that record. And I love all the little flourishes -- the cool vocal layering and hidden sounds.
I think he sounds terrible. His voice lacks any sort of character or depth. I find nothing interesting about it. It's not even "quirky" enough to draw me in. Like I said in the Moonlander thread, I recently play Bayleaf a couple of times and found a lot of the guitars and song structures really cool, but that vocal delivery means I can really only "tolerate" the album.
I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.
I think Stone's voice is more interesting and cleaner on Bayleaf than Ed's on Backspacer. Pound for pound. There are exceptions, of course. But Stone sounds great on that record. And I love all the little flourishes -- the cool vocal layering and hidden sounds.
I think he sounds terrible. His voice lacks any sort of character or depth. I find nothing interesting about it. It's not even "quirky" enough to draw me in. Like I said in the Moonlander thread, I recently play Bayleaf a couple of times and found a lot of the guitars and song structures really cool, but that vocal delivery means I can really only "tolerate" the album.
Different strokes, ya know.
I've been listening to Bayleaf a lot over the last few days. I've always loved the album, but even I was surprised by how much I liked Stone's vocals on these latest listens.
Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 8:32 am
what on earth am I talking about
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Merkinballs songs work on No Code for me. It's not that much of a shoe horn given they were probably written around the same time or near enough. I got shit being on there would take the shine off a lot of No Codes rock songs though. It's better than most of them. And better played too. Maybe cos Neil is on it, you just know they did maybe two takes and went with the better one. It's got almost a live feel to it that nothing on No Code feels like it has. That alone makes it rare in PJ's catalogue. Wish they'd take that approach more often.
Long Road I'm not sure. Where would you put it? It would be a great closer. But why invite you on the long road and then close with it? It would leave an unsatisfied taste. Or something.
Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 10:41 am
The worst
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turned2black wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
turned2black wrote:
I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.
I think Stone's voice is more interesting and cleaner on Bayleaf than Ed's on Backspacer. Pound for pound. There are exceptions, of course. But Stone sounds great on that record. And I love all the little flourishes -- the cool vocal layering and hidden sounds.
I think he sounds terrible. His voice lacks any sort of character or depth. I find nothing interesting about it. It's not even "quirky" enough to draw me in. Like I said in the Moonlander thread, I recently play Bayleaf a couple of times and found a lot of the guitars and song structures really cool, but that vocal delivery means I can really only "tolerate" the album.
Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 9:52 pm
likes rhythmic things that butt up against each other
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durdencommatyler wrote:
I've been listening to Bayleaf a lot over the last few days. I've always loved the album, but even I was surprised by how much I liked Stone's vocals on these latest listens.
Remember that Stone is only doing the lead vocal on 7 of the 10 tracks.
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Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 9:53 pm
jeeeesus relax already
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Blenheim Augustine wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I've been listening to Bayleaf a lot over the last few days. I've always loved the album, but even I was surprised by how much I liked Stone's vocals on these latest listens.
Remember that Stone is only doing the lead vocal on 7 of the 10 tracks.
Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 11:51 pm
Mind Your Tanners
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:20 am Posts: 8301
its_not_1974 wrote:
Lament wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.
I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.
This makes a lot of fucking sense. Now I am sad.
This does make sense. Such a strong point in Pearl Jam's career.
The 1995 version of Brain of J is stronger than what appeared on Yield.
Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Sun April 21, 2013 11:53 pm
Mind Your Tanners
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Coach wrote:
its_not_1974 wrote:
Lament wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.
I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.
This makes a lot of fucking sense. Now I am sad.
This does make sense. Such a strong point in Pearl Jam's career.
The 1995 version of Brain of J is stronger than what appeared on Yield.
Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 12:47 am
Mind Your Tanners
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stip wrote:
Coach wrote:
stip wrote:
was brain of J played a lot in 95? I just have one random live version of it floating around. A fantastic 95 Red Mosquito as well.
I think brain of j was played just twice in 1995, but it was stellar back then.
now I wish I hadn't boxed up all those old bootlegs
There's one from 95 called "Anxiety' and it's from San Jose I believe. It is one of my favorite bootlegs. Paid 49 bucks for it back in the day and think its still worth the money.
Post subject: Re: No Code / Merkinball -- Rewriting History
Posted: Mon April 22, 2013 3:27 pm
A Return To Form
Joined: Thu March 07, 2013 7:53 pm Posts: 240 Location: LA, CA
Lament wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
Lament wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I don't think I've ever heard Open Road. I'll have to look it up.
It's probably more of a very structured "jam," but it seems to be an idea that they'd been kicking around (or at least worked on before playing it), and sonically it fits in very well with I Got Shit/Falling Down/Red Mosquito and the other summer of 95 songs.
It's a slow burner, but it feels like it had the potential to really become something special.
Yeah, this is one of my favorites. It definitely does not feel like it was made up on the spot. I wish they turned it into a full-fledged album track and took it on the road again.
According to Five Horizons, they may have sound-checked it in Phoenix in 1998.
I don't think I've ever heard Open Road. I'll have to look it up.
It's probably more of a very structured "jam," but it seems to be an idea that they'd been kicking around (or at least worked on before playing it), and sonically it fits in very well with I Got Shit/Falling Down/Red Mosquito and the other summer of 95 songs.
It's a slow burner, but it feels like it had the potential to really become something special.
Yeah, this is one of my favorites. It definitely does not feel like it was made up on the spot. I wish they turned it into a full-fledged album track and took it on the road again.
According to Five Horizons, they may have sound-checked it in Phoenix in 1998.
I believe the old Rumor Pit addressed this issue back in the day. it is not an improv but an actual written song. I have always lvoed it.
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