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epilogue · **Posted:** Fri April 19, 2013 10:06 pm

What do they themselves know?

dkfan9 · **Joined:** Fri January 04, 2013 11:12 pm **Posts:** 742

Lament wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.

I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.

Very cool. And I think Stone wrote "Bayleaf around that time as well--it seems to fit in that sound.

VinylGuy · **Joined:** Tue January 01, 2013 5:10 pm **Posts:** 36302

dkfan9 wrote:

Lament wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.

I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.

Very cool. And I think Stone wrote "Bayleaf around that time as well--it seems to fit in that sound.

i think Bayleaf was written from 1998 to 2000.

epilogue · **Posted:** Fri April 19, 2013 10:22 pm

I think Bayleaf is better than the last two Pearl Jam albums. There, I said it.

verb_to_trust · **Posted:** Fri April 19, 2013 10:47 pm

durdencommatyler wrote:

I think Bayleaf is better than the last two Pearl Jam albums. There, I said it.

Co Sign

Norris · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 12:18 am

verb_to_trust wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

I think Bayleaf is better than the last two Pearl Jam albums. There, I said it.

Co Sign

for sure

Birds in Hell · **Joined:** Tue January 01, 2013 9:38 pm **Posts:** 15163

Oh, no, I can't get onboard with that.

WtOB? · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 12:33 am

It's certainly better than Backspacer.

its_not_1974 · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 12:42 am

Lament wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.

I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.

This makes a lot of fucking sense. Now I am sad.

TheDapperGent · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 12:44 am

its_not_1974 wrote:

Lament wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Merkinball feels much more like a dusting off of Vitalogy's workbench than it feels like the preliminary foundations for No Code.

I kinda think Merkinball feels like the seeds of the album #4 they decided not to make. I Got Shit, Long Road, Falling Down, Open Road, Red Mosquito, Lukin, Habit, Brain of J...the stuff that appeared in 1995 suggests that there may have initially been a very different direction they had in mind for the next record. There's probably a great alternate album to be put together there.

This makes a lot of fucking sense. Now I am sad.

epilogue · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 1:46 am

Birds in Hell wrote:

Oh, no, I can't get onboard with that.

Damnit, Speeno, don't fuck this up.

PHATJ · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 4:21 am

I'm not on board with that nonsense either. S/T is a really good album with terrible production. Backspacer is crappy (by Pearl Jam standards at least) but it is still better than Bayleaf. And I like Bayleaf.

WtOB? · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 6:48 am

1. S/T
2. Bayleaf

3. Backspacer

nyquillyn · **Joined:** Tue January 01, 2013 2:11 pm **Posts:** 5825

You guys are (S)tone-deaf. No way Bayleaf is better than the last 2 albums.

stip · **Joined:** Thu December 13, 2012 6:31 pm **Posts:** 39923

once again spenno and I find some common ground

epilogue · **Posted:** Sat April 20, 2013 1:24 pm

I might choose to put on those PJ albums more often, but Bayleaf is a more compelling, competent and satisfying listen. It's also a little bit harder to take, so it doesn't get the reps. But that's a good thing.

WtOB? · **Posted:** Sun April 21, 2013 2:14 am

Stone's voice sounds better to me on Bayleaf than Eddie's does on Backspacer.

epilogue · **Posted:** Sun April 21, 2013 2:15 am

WtOB? wrote:

Stone's voice sounds better to me on Bayleaf than Eddie's does on Backspacer.

Agreed.

His guitar also sounds better than Ed's ever has.

nyquillyn · **Joined:** Tue January 01, 2013 2:11 pm **Posts:** 5825

I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.

epilogue · **Posted:** Sun April 21, 2013 3:31 am

turned2black wrote:

I can understand saying that the guitars on a new Stone album would be more interesting than a new PJ album, but saying Stone's voice sounds better than Eddie's is all sorts of crazy.

I think Stone's voice is more interesting and cleaner on Bayleaf than Ed's on Backspacer. Pound for pound. There are exceptions, of course. But Stone sounds great on that record. And I love all the little flourishes -- the cool vocal layering and hidden sounds.

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