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 Post subject: Re: S/T Survivor: Round 1
PostPosted: Fri March 16, 2018 2:45 pm 
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Anders wrote:
The demo is superior, but still.


Yeah, I agree with that. They should of maybe just left it an Ed solo track, or chosen a different song for S/T.


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The demo is still bad. Of course the band arrangement in the album version is lazy and unimaginative, but the base composition is so sluggishly boring from a musical point of view that I don't see how any harmonic or rhythmic flourishes could ever save it.


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Yeah, after Gone, it's probably my next least favorite.


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Gone is good.
The album version is better than the demo.

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theplatypus wrote:
The demo is still bad. Of course the band arrangement in the album version is lazy and unimaginative, but the base composition is so sluggishly boring from a musical point of view that I don't see how any harmonic or rhythmic flourishes could ever save it.


The demo is superior to a turd, so it's still a turd anyway you hear it. It's also really boring live.


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The Gone demo is great, far from a turd. Very atmospheric.


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doone wrote:
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gawd, this is so hard, I hate so many of them. :twisted:

Really? This album has aged well for me

I can't say I ever listen to it anymore.


I rarely listen to it, but I really like about half the songs. Marker, LW, Parachutes, Severed Hand, Unemployable, and Army Reserve are my glass half full outlook.


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Anders wrote:
The Gone demo is great, far from a turd. Very atmospheric.


Calling it a turd was probably a little too far. I just listened to the demo, I do indeed like it better than the full band version. The vibe of the song comes across more. The demo is actually pretty solid.


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Anders wrote:
The Gone demo is great, far from a turd. Very atmospheric.


Calling it a turd was probably a little too far. I just listened to the demo, I do indeed like it better than the full band version. The vibe of the song comes across more. The demo is actually pretty solid.

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In the far off distance
As my tail-lights fade
No one thinks to witness
But they will someday


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darth_vedder wrote:
doone wrote:
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doone wrote:
gawd, this is so hard, I hate so many of them. :twisted:

Really? This album has aged well for me

I can't say I ever listen to it anymore.


I rarely listen to it, but I really like about half the songs. Marker, LW, Parachutes, Severed Hand, Unemployable, and Army Reserve are my glass half full outlook.


Shit, I forgot Big Wave. I :heartbeat: that one.


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darth_vedder wrote:
doone wrote:
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gawd, this is so hard, I hate so many of them. :twisted:

Really? This album has aged well for me

I can't say I ever listen to it anymore.


I rarely listen to it, but I really like about half the songs. Marker, LW, Parachutes, Severed Hand, Unemployable, and Army Reserve are my glass half full outlook.

Not a bad list. I would have Come Back in there as well.


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Good things about "Unemployable":
- Matt's nifty ride cymbal work in the intro and middle 8
- Vocal harmonies in the chorus
- Contrapuntal arpeggios in the chorus
- The shift up into the "I've seen the light" section
- The cool high-up bass in the outro, giving the song a whole new color

Honestly it's far from one of my favorite PJ songs; the lyrics are pretty bad, I don't like the verses, and the "oh-oh-oh-oh" part really does sound like Shania Twain. But it's got enough interesting details about it that I still prefer it over 75% of an album where the whole approach seems to have been "nevermind details, let's rawk"


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Unemployable

WTF is wrong with you?


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Easy vote for Come Back.


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theplatypus wrote:
The demo is still bad. Of course the band arrangement in the album version is lazy and unimaginative, but the base composition is so sluggishly boring from a musical point of view that I don't see how any harmonic or rhythmic flourishes could ever save it.


Yeah...the demo and the full band take are both very unremarkable.

Really, I think this record holds up fairly well up to and include Unemployable. It just starts to fumble in the back half, IMO.


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I love Unemloyable so much.

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theplatypus wrote:
Good things about "Unemployable":
- Matt's nifty ride cymbal work in the intro and middle 8
- Vocal harmonies in the chorus
- Contrapuntal arpeggios in the chorus
- The shift up into the "I've seen the light" section
- The cool high-up bass in the outro, giving the song a whole new color

Honestly it's far from one of my favorite PJ songs; the lyrics are pretty bad, I don't like the verses, and the "oh-oh-oh-oh" part really does sound like Shania Twain. But it's got enough interesting details about it that I still prefer it over 75% of an album where the whole approach seems to have been "nevermind details, let's rawk"

The lyrics ruin anything good about it

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World Wide Suicide sucks hard.

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