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Author:  evenslow [ Mon April 02, 2018 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: Album Finals
Wave to all my friends*.

*my friends in this case is the song In My Tree from No Code by Pearl Jam (I'm waving goodbye this means I'm voting it off).
Author:  mikejasond [ Mon April 02, 2018 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: Album Finals
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
No, that is all kinds of wrong. They are both 90s rock songs by PJ. Either both should get a pass, or none.

why?


The lyrics are written by the same person, only a few years apart, performed by the same band, both rock songs. One is a little bit more aggressive, but the lyrics should be judged on the same merit.



For sure. I'm not saying the lyrics of Go (or Got Some, arguably the worst offender) are less bad because of the type of song they are attached to. I'm just saying that they don't impact the song in quite the same way because the song doesn't draw attention to the lyrics - the delivery, the feeling, the performance is primary. But for other songs the lyrics, the message, etc. are more integral to what the song is hoping to accomplish, so bad lyrics (or great lyrics) are more impactful


this this this! This is why i love Black and despise I Am Mine

The middle years of Pearl Jam are the WORST for lyrics, Eddie thought he was being so smart and deep and wise that its just awkward to listen to.

I prefer early un-pretentious Pearl Jam that just presented earnest emotion and adrenaline and energy without thinking they were being wise philosophers
Author:  CopperTom [ Mon April 02, 2018 5:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: Album Finals
In My Tree
Author:  stip [ Mon April 02, 2018 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: Album Finals
mikejasond wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
No, that is all kinds of wrong. They are both 90s rock songs by PJ. Either both should get a pass, or none.

why?


The lyrics are written by the same person, only a few years apart, performed by the same band, both rock songs. One is a little bit more aggressive, but the lyrics should be judged on the same merit.



For sure. I'm not saying the lyrics of Go (or Got Some, arguably the worst offender) are less bad because of the type of song they are attached to. I'm just saying that they don't impact the song in quite the same way because the song doesn't draw attention to the lyrics - the delivery, the feeling, the performance is primary. But for other songs the lyrics, the message, etc. are more integral to what the song is hoping to accomplish, so bad lyrics (or great lyrics) are more impactful


this this this! This is why i love Black and despise I Am Mine

The middle years of Pearl Jam are the WORST for lyrics, Eddie thought he was being so smart and deep and wise that its just awkward to listen to.

I prefer early un-pretentious Pearl Jam that just presented earnest emotion and adrenaline and energy without thinking they were being wise philosophers


I Am Mine does have a great chorus though, lyrically
Author:  mikejasond [ Mon April 02, 2018 7:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: Album Finals
But it also has "the north is to south as the clock is to time"
Author:  epilogue [ Tue April 03, 2018 1:33 am ]
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mikejasond wrote:
But it also has "the north is to south as the clock is to time"

Which is brilliant
Author:  Jorge [ Tue April 03, 2018 1:43 am ]
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I like that line too
Author:  LoathedVermin72 [ Tue April 03, 2018 1:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: inactive
durdencommatyler wrote:
stip wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
In My Tree is an amazing song. I don't really give a shit how "deep" it is philosophically. It has tremendous emotional depth and breadth. Sometimes simplicity is profound. It doesn't need to explore unknown depths to be powerful.


It doesn't, but I think In My Tree is a song that thinks it has something deep to say, which is what takes it down a notch for me. It's also why a song like Go, with large swatches of nonsensical lyrics, isn't really harmed by that. Go is pure adrenaline with no retention of being anything other.

I think you think the song thinks that, sure. But that's your issue, not the song's. The song isn't trying to say anything deep. Just look at the actual text. The song is very clearly trying to remove not to plant. It's anti-something deep.

I really like this. I think you're totally right. This more eloquently puts what I was digging it earlier about the earnestness of Black and IMT being similar, but focused on different things in a way that makes their impact massively different. The former feels like Eddie singing about banal, cringey, vaguely gross angst in a way that asserts a deeper meaning or intensity that simply isn't there. Whereas on IMT, he sings whimsically about, as you said, the opposite - beautiful simplicity and innocence. And he knows it.
Author:  epilogue [ Tue April 03, 2018 2:55 am ]
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
stip wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
In My Tree is an amazing song. I don't really give a shit how "deep" it is philosophically. It has tremendous emotional depth and breadth. Sometimes simplicity is profound. It doesn't need to explore unknown depths to be powerful.


It doesn't, but I think In My Tree is a song that thinks it has something deep to say, which is what takes it down a notch for me. It's also why a song like Go, with large swatches of nonsensical lyrics, isn't really harmed by that. Go is pure adrenaline with no retention of being anything other.

I think you think the song thinks that, sure. But that's your issue, not the song's. The song isn't trying to say anything deep. Just look at the actual text. The song is very clearly trying to remove not to plant. It's anti-something deep.

I really like this. I think you're totally right. This more eloquently puts what I was digging it earlier about the earnestness of Black and IMT being similar, but focused on different things in a way that makes their impact massively different. The former feels like Eddie singing about banal, cringey, vaguely gross angst in a way that asserts a deeper meaning or intensity that simply isn't there. Whereas on IMT, he sings whimsically about, as you said, the opposite - beautiful simplicity and innocence. And he knows it.

:thumbsup:
Author:  stip [ Tue April 03, 2018 10:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: Album Finals
It's not a song that feels that whimsical (certainly to me) in part because I don't know that pearl jam/eddie really knew how to write a song like that at this point. In My Tree is a serious discourse on the topic of innocence
Author:  stip [ Tue April 03, 2018 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: No Code Survivor: Hail Hail wins!
Hail Hail wins!
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