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So I always assumed this song is well-known even among casual fans, but is that true?
I know PJ was huge in 1994, but for people (like me) who were a little bit younger and became a fan much later on, the "hits" from Vitalogy that I knew by heart (Corduroy, Betterman) had no overlap with the original singles (STBC, Not For You, Immortality) from this album. Immortality is probably the only one of those singles where I could have said "oh yeah, I've heard that song before" when I first became a fan.
So I always assumed this song is well-known even among casual fans, but is that true?
I know PJ was huge in 1994, but for people (like me) who were a little bit younger and became a fan much later on, the "hits" from Vitalogy that I knew by heart (Corduroy, Betterman) had no overlap with the original singles (STBC, Not For You, Immortality) from this album. Immortality is probably the only one of those singles where I could have said "oh yeah, I've heard that song before" when I first became a fan.
Currently at least, the only songs from Vitalogy I've heard on the radio (not on the PJ station obviously) have been Corduroy and Better Man.
Before Sirius XM when I just listened to local rock stations in high school (2007-2010) I heard Alive, Black, Even Flow, and Jeremy all the time. Those would be the only ones I knew. When I started listening to more specific Sirius XM stations (Lithium), I would have heard Corduroy, Better Man, Rearviewmirror, Daughter, Animal, and maybe Elderly Woman.
So I always assumed this song is well-known even among casual fans, but is that true?
I know PJ was huge in 1994, but for people (like me) who were a little bit younger and became a fan much later on, the "hits" from Vitalogy that I knew by heart (Corduroy, Betterman) had no overlap with the original singles (STBC, Not For You, Immortality) from this album. Immortality is probably the only one of those singles where I could have said "oh yeah, I've heard that song before" when I first became a fan.
Currently at least, the only songs from Vitalogy I've heard on the radio (not on the PJ station obviously) have been Corduroy and Better Man.
Before Sirius XM when I just listened to local rock stations in high school (2007-2010) I heard Alive, Black, Even Flow, and Jeremy all the time. Those would be the only ones I knew. When I started listening to more specific Sirius XM stations (Lithium), I would have heard Corduroy, Better Man, Rearviewmirror, Daughter, Animal, and maybe Elderly Woman.
That same list is true for me, except for Animal. I didn't know about that song until I started buying the albums.
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I think the cigar box image was probably taken from Kurt’s suicide, but I don’t think that means the whole song is about Kurt. It’s just a powerful image.
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epilogue wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
epilogue wrote:
What is the evidence for those in the "it's about Kurt" camp? Just the cigar box line?
I'd say that's a dead giveaway
In the context of all the other lyrics, I'm not sure it is. But that's why I asked the question.
I guess another way to approach this is, if it's not about Kurt, what is the song about?
I think it’s generally about disenfranchised or otherwise lost souls latching onto hollow idols — could be drugs, celebrity, certain social circles — at their peril
man, its been so long since i thought this one was about Cobain. Yeah the cigar box on the floor is a direct reference to his suicide but thats about it i guess.
eddie has said somewhere that he kept lyrics he was working on in a cigar boz x, which tracks with the scrawl disolved lyric preceding it
what is the cobain connection with the cigar box again?
I kept wanting to post "did y'all know what a cigar box was before Cobain?" but I didn't want to come across like a snarky asshat.
But really I understand why that's such a touchpoint/reference for so many. It was a powerful image at the time and something I'm sure a lot of people of a certain age associate with Kurt.
I'll be totally honest... this is a safe space, right?.... but honestly, I always thought the song was about Native Americans. It wasn't until much, much later that I considered it was about Kurt or what trag was saying or anything else.
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