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PostPosted: Sat August 19, 2017 5:15 pm 
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Hymn blows both of these out of the water:



No... It's distant, the sounds are too distractable, and its not sincere. Also, it's vague, confusing, and makes me feel like I'm at one of those beat poetry coffee shop shows... Ick!

Were you a Hovercraft fan at all?

Not really, but I did see them at a club once. Is that the background noise, I suppose? The set had moments of swell crescendos, but overall I thought it sucked.

Yeah, they are the band on this track. I adore Hovercraft, so it has probably slanted my take on this track.


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tragabigzanda wrote:
Iholdthepain wrote:
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Iholdthepain wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Hymn blows both of these out of the water:



No... It's distant, the sounds are too distractable, and its not sincere. Also, it's vague, confusing, and makes me feel like I'm at one of those beat poetry coffee shop shows... Ick!

Were you a Hovercraft fan at all?

Not really, but I did see them at a club once. Is that the background noise, I suppose? The set had moments of swell crescendos, but overall I thought it sucked.

Yeah, they are the band on this track. I adore Hovercraft, so it has probably slanted my take on this track.

I don't get it, but different strokes and all...

I think I was just hoping Ed would show up and play drums.

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Wasn't posting about I'm Still Here up there with the 1995 video as one of the huge board taboos back on RM1?

Am I misremembering?


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 Post subject: Re: I'm Still Here
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Wasn't posting about I'm Still Here up there with the 1995 video as one of the huge board taboos back on RM1?

Am I misremembering?


I can't recall, but I strongly feel with the band passed its prime now, the lack of new releases, the change in Ed's voice, etc., should mean that everything now is fair game.


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Wasn't posting about I'm Still Here up there with the 1995 video as one of the huge board taboos back on RM1?

Am I misremembering?


Why? Which 95 video?


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Anders wrote:
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Wasn't posting about I'm Still Here up there with the 1995 video as one of the huge board taboos back on RM1?

Am I misremembering?


Why? Which 95 video?


The rough edit of the Oceania '95 tour DVD. It's on YouTube now:


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Fuck me, I paid a lot for that back in the day.


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 Post subject: Re: I'm Still Here
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washing machine wrote:
Wasn't posting about I'm Still Here up there with the 1995 video as one of the huge board taboos back on RM1?

Am I misremembering?


Yeah, those two were pretty taboo...i bet they still are in the official forum.

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so just curious... what makes this and the 1995 tour movie taboo?

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so just curious... what makes this and the 1995 tour movie taboo?

Stip's in it.

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Simple Torture wrote:
Anders wrote:
washing machine wrote:
Wasn't posting about I'm Still Here up there with the 1995 video as one of the huge board taboos back on RM1?

Am I misremembering?


Why? Which 95 video?


The rough edit of the Oceania '95 tour DVD. It's on YouTube now:



The band sounded really great on this.


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and the things I'm doing in it...

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I'm still not welcome back in Southeast Asia. All of it.

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Apparently most of the audience members are still in therapy.

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Iholdthepain wrote:
so just curious... what makes this and the 1995 tour movie taboo?


Back in the day, some of the band's lawyers I believe reached out to this board asking us not to share unreleased, unfinished projects. Probably because there were perhaps plans to release the '95 movie as an official release, its copyright protected, etc.


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Yeah I am really not a fan of this. Pretty cheesy poetry, particularly the very end. "Never been too good at happy endings".

yeah i appreciate how heart-on-your-sleeve it is and how fresh and raw the feelings probably are but as a song / art piece it's really pretty bottom tier from an otherwise good lyricist. all of ukulele songs is pretty much in the same vein and manifested much better.

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I enjoy this when it comes up. It's interesting and earnest and cheesy, all in a good way for mine.


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Coach wrote:
Iholdthepain wrote:
so just curious... what makes this and the 1995 tour movie taboo?

Back in the day, some of the band's lawyers I believe reached out to this board asking us not to share unreleased, unfinished projects. Probably because there were perhaps plans to release the '95 movie as an official release, its copyright protected, etc.

The long story:

Back in 2002, before DVD burners and YouTube, people started sharing video bootlegs on VCD's. Easier than VHS, with none of the generational degradation, and it meant that everybody could get them. Most of it was facilitated by a fan site called TVM: The Video Mission. All B&Ps and trades. No one was selling anything. Band seemed okay with it - it totally undercut the video bootleg sellers. (The band didn't want people videoing their shows - and asked fans not to - but generally didn't care about the recordings that got out there.)

Then somebody in PJ's circle gave TVM a copy of the Birdman sessions, with a note that it was okay to share them. So they did.

Ed went ape-shit. Unknown to anybody, he considered those recordings to be private. So he rousted PJ's lawyers into C&D'ing TVM out of existence. After that, video boots were verboten across the board. (Tim Bierman is an asshole, but he was never a bigger asshole than he was at that time.)

What made it so rough was that they didn't just ask TVM to take them down. It felt like retribution. It upset a lot of folks.

For the next few years, PJ seriously gave a shit about unreleased stuff like they never had before. (The 1995 movie leaked in mid-2003, and it was basically just back-channel B&Ped for a long time.) Eventually, YouTube (and probably time) made it not worth enforcing.


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Oh yeah, the bridman sessions were such a cool little item and it was fuckin hard to get back in the day.

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